Derrick Favors "terrible" Offensive Game

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So I got thinking about how everyone who says anything about the Jazz are always saying that they are super worried about Favors ever being able to be productive on the offensive end.

Take a look at this though:

Derrick Favors averages 9.3 ppg on 7.3 FGA
Al Jefferson averages 17.3 ppg on 15.6 FGA

Derrick Favors is a better offensive player than Al Jefferson, he shoots almost a free throw more per game than Al, and I think if you gave him the field goal attempts that Al gets, he would be averaging close to 20 points per game.

So on this board, I get the feeling that we give Al a pass on his offense, and really gouge him for his terrible defense. To me, it seems that Al is either just a terrible player all around, or he has decent offense. I often hear that if Al could just have passable defense, then we would be a much better team. To me, the answer is simple. Get rid of Al, insert Favors into at least some of the possessions we run for Al, and we will improve dramatically. It does not look like we will have much of a drop off offensively if we use Favors instead of Al.

Theoretically, if you double Favors field goal attempts per game, then you also double his points, so he would average 18.6 points and 14.6 fga per game. That is more points than Al Jefferson, on less shots. This looks like there is really no downside at all. Maybe Favors actually has the offensive skills that we are looking for, but Corbin is so stuck on coaching a team revolving around Al, that he can't use the other guys effectively.

 

[Litany]

Another thing overlooked in Favors offensive game is he is always ready to pass. If someone cuts, like Marv did last night, he will dish it to them. Favors might be our best passing big man.

Bottom line here is net-negative Al needs to go.

 

[Ron Mexico]

So on this board, I get the feeling that we give Al a pass on

Lol, Al does not get a pass on anything on this board.

 

[YB85]

It's amazing how free throws can help a scoring average. If Favors could develop a jump hook, he'd be devastating.

 

[DutchJazzer]

So I got thinking about how everyone who says anything about the Jazz are always saying that they are super worried about Favors ever being able to be productive on the offensive end.

Take a look at this though:

Derrick Favors averages 9.3 ppg on 7.3 FGA
Al Jefferson averages 17.3 ppg on 15.6 FGA

Derrick Favors is a better offensive player than Al Jefferson, he shoots almost a free throw more per game than Al, and I think if you gave him the field goal attempts that Al gets, he would be averaging close to 20 points per game.

So on this board, I get the feeling that we give Al a pass on his offense, and really gouge him for his terrible defense. To me, it seems that Al is either just a terrible player all around, or he has decent offense. I often hear that if Al could just have passable defense, then we would be a much better team. To me, the answer is simple. Get rid of Al, insert Favors into at least some of the possessions we run for Al, and we will improve dramatically. It does not look like we will have much of a drop off offensively if we use Favors instead of Al.

Theoretically, if you double Favors field goal attempts per game, then you also double his points, so he would average 18.6 points and 14.6 fga per game. That is more points than Al Jefferson, on less shots. This looks like there is really no downside at all. Maybe Favors actually has the offensive skills that we are looking for, but Corbin is so stuck on coaching a team revolving around Al, that he can't use the other guys effectively.

I don't

big al is the worse big man on offense for the jazz.
if not the worse player(if not for earl)

 

[nateboz]

Favors is NOT a good offensive player. At least not yet. He is very turnover prone. Has very little range on his shot and does not play very well with his back to the basket. Now on defense he is by far the best big on the team. His rebounding ability is also the best. Favors can be a allstar but his offensive game may never be his ticket to one.

 

[trigg3r]

I love that Favors is willing to pass. With more playing time I think he will improve on his passing. He has had quite a few turnovers lately. I also think his offensive game will come around a bit more. Maybe instead of barreling over guys and getting called for charges he will stop short of them and hit shots. Again, give the necessary playing time next year, these issues will improve.

 

[Hal]

I would strongly disagree that Favors is a better offensive player than Jefferson. Well...maybe I should qualify that by saying that Jefferson has far better offensive skills than Favors. He's obviously got the better jump shot, has better post moves, and gets possession deep on the block well. However Favors is more athletic, and more importantly, can actually draw a foul.

A huge drawback to Jefferson is that for all of his offensive skill, he avoids contact at all cost. Favors on the other hand, does not, and that leads to him having a ppg/fga ratio. So saying that Favors is a better offensive player than Jefferson because of just that is a misrepresentation of a statistic. As is the "well if you double his shots this is what he would average..." argument. That's rubbish. If Favors was taking 15 shots per game, he would get far more defensive attention from other teams which would effect his percentages quite a bit. Now I'm not trying to say that Jefferson is better than Favors (he's not), I'm just saying that you're really misrepresenting this data that you're using.

 

[DutchJazzer]

Favors is NOT a good offensive player. At least not yet. He is very turnover prone. Has very little range on his shot and does not play very well with his back to the basket. Now on defense he is by far the best big on the team. His rebounding ability is also the best. Favors can be a allstar but his offensive game may never be his ticket to one.

still a better option on offense that fat al

 

[GVC]

You have to consider where they get their offense. Take a look at mysynergysports.com.

Taking turnovers and shooting fouls/free throws into account, Jefferson has scored 0.96 points per possession, while Favors has scored 0.88 points per possession. More than 55% of Jefferson's possession come out of isos and postups; only 33% of Favors' possessions come out of isos and postups (this represents the lower PPP, self created offense, especially important when the defense is set and/or the shot clock is short). Jefferson scores more efficiently on both isos and postups (0.85 v. 0.62 and 0.87 v.0.8 PPP respectively). Jefferson's also more effective (by PPP) on spot-ups, cuts, off screens, hand-offs and offensive rebounds. Only in transition does Favors score more efficiently (1.2 v. 1.17 PPP). The only reason their overall PPP is as close as it is (and it's not really that close) is because Favors gets a higher percentage of his shots in high PPP situations. This is largely because he's incapable of creating for himself (which is why he's a much lower volume scorer, as easy buckets are harder to come by).

 

[nateboz]

still a better option on offense that fat al

He is better to have on the floor with his defense and rebounding. Not his offense. I don't like Al but saying Favors is better makes no sense. Jefferson has a better shot. Footwork. Post moves and back to the basket game. That said I'd take favors 10/10 times on my team. Due to his all around game.

 

[DutchJazzer]

He is better to have on the floor with his defense and rebounding. Not his offense. I don't like Al but saying Favors is better makes no sense. Jefferson has a better shot. Footwork. Post moves and back to the basket game. That said I'd take favors 10/10 times on my team. Due to his all around game.

Jefferson is bad for this jazz team.
when jefferson is out jazz are WAY BETTER WITHOUT AL on offense

 

[jope]

Favors turnovers will come down greatly once he understand how to not charge so much. That will come with maturity and more time at this speed

 

[mhindy]

Like GVC said, Favors is a long ways from being the kind of volume scorer that Al can be. On the plus side, if he can just cut down his turnovers he'll be a solid 12-15 ppg on good efficiency. On the down side, until then, he's pretty terrible at anything but putbacks.

I like Favors (a lot, actually), but his offense needs some work.

 

[orangello]

Another thing overlooked in Favors offensive game is he is always ready to pass. If someone cuts, like Marv did last night, he will dish it to them. Favors might be our best passing big man.

Bottom line here is net-negative Al needs to go.

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[gomretat]

Favors does not have a good offensive game. Truth is he many never developed that part of his game - might be a Tyson Chandler type guy. Al is not a long term answer but this team is better offensively with him playing. That is obvious to anyone that is not blindly hating Al. We are probably at 26-28 wins right now without Al.

 

[Gameface]

Favors does not have a good offensive game. Truth is he many never developed that part of his game - might be a Tyson Chandler type guy. Al is not a long term answer but this team is better offensively with him playing. That is obvious to anyone that is not blindly hating Al. We are probably at 26-28 wins right now without Al.

I disagree. I think there are players in other positions who could be scoring more but aren't because our offense is so focused around Al.

 

[//r00t 4 Jazz]

I would strongly disagree that Favors is a better offensive player than Jefferson. Well...maybe I should qualify that by saying that Jefferson has far better offensive skills than Favors. He's obviously got the better jump shot, has better post moves, and gets possession deep on the block well. However Favors is more athletic, and more importantly, can actually draw a foul.

A huge drawback to Jefferson is that for all of his offensive skill, he avoids contact at all cost. Favors on the other hand, does not, and that leads to him having a ppg/fga ratio. So saying that Favors is a better offensive player than Jefferson because of just that is a misrepresentation of a statistic. As is the "well if you double his shots this is what he would average..." argument. That's rubbish. If Favors was taking 15 shots per game, he would get far more defensive attention from other teams which would effect his percentages quite a bit. Now I'm not trying to say that Jefferson is better than Favors (he's not), I'm just saying that you're really misrepresenting this data that you're using.

You have to consider where they get their offense. Take a look at mysynergysports.com.

Taking turnovers and shooting fouls/free throws into account, Jefferson has scored 0.96 points per possession, while Favors has scored 0.88 points per possession. More than 55% of Jefferson's possession come out of isos and postups; only 33% of Favors' possessions come out of isos and postups (this represents the lower PPP, self created offense, especially important when the defense is set and/or the shot clock is short). Jefferson scores more efficiently on both isos and postups (0.85 v. 0.62 and 0.87 v.0.8 PPP respectively). Jefferson's also more effective (by PPP) on spot-ups, cuts, off screens, hand-offs and offensive rebounds. Only in transition does Favors score more efficiently (1.2 v. 1.17 PPP). The only reason their overall PPP is as close as it is (and it's not really that close) is because Favors gets a higher percentage of his shots in high PPP situations. This is largely because he's incapable of creating for himself (which is why he's a much lower volume scorer, as easy buckets are harder to come by).

I know you guys both prefer Favors over Al (as do I). But don't confuse people with logic and reasoning even if your on the same side as them they will become confused and angry then label you a witch and burn you at the steak.

Also just because I think Favors (as most everybody else does) is better overall for the team, that doesn't mean you ignore or should misconstrue deficiencies or efficiencies for either of them.

 

[Hartsock]

Favors game right now is dunks, dunks off offensive rebounds, and FT's. All are good things, but put him in a 1 on 1 situation on a regular basis and its going to get ugly.

 

[fishonjazz]

Favors does not have a good offensive game. Truth is he many never developed that part of his game - might be a Tyson Chandler type guy. Al is not a long term answer but this team is better offensively with him playing. That is obvious to anyone that is not blindly hating Al. We are probably at 26-28 wins right now without Al.

Not trying to confuse anyone with logic and reasoning, but what is our record without big al in the lineup?

Nuff said.... i scoff at the notion that we would be at 26-28 wins without Al... in fact, looking at how we have performed when he has been out of the lineup, i think we would have more wins than we do right now without him.