I don't know whether to credit Presti or simply having Memphis & Minnesota drafting in front of you and trading away future All Stars when they actually do strike gold. Presti definitely has done a helluva good job not striking out though. Then again, when it comes down to choosing between Kevin Love and Russell Westbrook (with some pretty damn solid choices behind) & Kevin "Everyone says I should go first but won't because Odom is 8 feet tall" Durant, it's hard to screw up like Minnesota and Memphis would have.
Did the Jazz mishandle things after the D-Will trade
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I don't know whether to credit Presti or simply having Memphis & Minnesota drafting in front of you and trading away future All Stars when they actually do strike gold. Presti definitely has done a helluva good job not striking out though. Then again, when it comes down to choosing between Kevin Love and Russell Westbrook (with some pretty damn solid choices behind) & Kevin "Everyone says I should go first but won't because Odom is 8 feet tall" Durant, it's hard to screw up like Minnesota and Memphis would have.
GVC
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eh? You including Burks and Favors is extremely self serving, no? One was from another team, and the other wasn't a top 10 pick (do you think the #12 pick is a sure thing).
Gordo was the #9 pick in what has turned out to be a very weak draft. Over his second and third seasons, he's started 68 games, averaged 29 minutes per game and been the team's #3 scorer and best wing player. Hard to call Gordo a miss at this point.
Kanter is in his second season. He played no competitive basketball in the year before the draft. He's playing behind the team's top 2 scorers. He seems to be progressing nicely. The 2011 draft hasn't produced much to this point (with some obvious exceptions).
Hotdog
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I don't think any of you arm chair gm's have the right to criticize the FO.
What do you got against the Jazz?
So we should hitch ourselves to stupid and act like a bunch of know-it-all teenage hotheads with hormonal imbalances?
Ain't nuthin wrong with disagreeing with their philosophy and approach, but calling acting like they have screwed the pooch is like listening to handicaps teaching physics to Stephen Hawking.
I'm also pretty sure most of us think "Jazz Basketball" should have some re-tooling.
I think it's also a good time to remind everyone what KOC said about preserving their cap space for next season's trade deadline. You're looking at a core of Favors, Kanter, Hayward, Marvin, maybe a couple minor attachments, and a ****load of salary to get those picks you're boasting OKC for getting.
O'Connor did not have a Ray Lewis or a Ray Allen to trade. He had an Al Jefferson and a Devin Harris.
O'Connor did not have a Ray Lewis or a Ray Allen to trade. He had an Al Jefferson and a Devin Harris.
Darkwing Duck
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Not what the thread is about, or at least, what I was responding to.
Did Williams get traded at the deadline? I don't remember. I don't think the Jazz were prepared to "clean house" after the trade, plus they probably had delusions of still making the playoffs that year.
Then the lockout. No off season to really overhaul the roster, and their big pick was a tremendous project (Kanter). Jazz were contending for playoffs, so I would imagine the Jazz, looking at their roster at last year's trade deadline, made the conscious decision to see where the team would go in the next year and a half, and see what would happen in the '13 off season, where they'd have boatloads of cap space, and only four rookie contracts on the books. Everything since then has been in line with that philosophy. The only move that hasn't was the Marvin Williams trade, but 7.5 for one more year for a serviceable player is certainly not cap killing.
I'm fairly confident the Jazz front office is aware of what the team, as constructed, is. The question is whether the Jazz decide to go with the current roster, collect the likely two playoff game revenue (hopefully three), and then be the "hey, we can take on contracts" team in the summer, or collect the minor assets MillJefferbigsvet would net.
What worries me is that they like Jefferson's attitude toward the team and community so much that they look past his obvious limitations on the court and sign him to a long term contract.
Membership in JazzFanz gave me the right to criticize. Keeping my armchair warm.
Haha .. you are so awesome.
Good post and you're right, I over-simplified the thread topic.
Also the fact that he can give you (nearly) 20/10 any given night and there are only a handful of players who can do that in the league, none of which are interested in coming to Utah. I know he had defensive shortcomings, but Utah as a location has its shortcomings.
Darkwing Duck
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Efficiency and team rebound percentage belie those numbers, though.
Hotdog
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You as a poster, have your short comings.
Litany
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If the Jazz hand Al a long-term deal, I will have to take a break from the Jazz until his contract is up.
I'm not convinced they will commit to him, since they haven't offered an extension, but we will see.
I forgot that you don't have any shortcomings. My bad.
d@!!0n0rcutt
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My question is regarding the notion that Al Jefferson is SO rare to average 20/10, how do we know, just like Al did after his 3rd season he finally averaged 20/10...how do we know Derrick Favors and/or Enes Kanter couldn't average 20/10 after their 3rd season? I am pretty confident, if given the time, these youngsters would most definitely average really close to that with Derrick's new found ability to get to the foul line and shooting a good percentage from there and given 35 plus minutes either one of Favors or Kanter with his pick and pop range as a stretch big and already knack for rebounding would average 20/10 or really close to that, and I guarantee that.
My guess would be that we still need a 3rd big coming off the bench anyway - like how Millsap came off the bench when Boozer/Okur were starting. I think the thinking is Kanter could come off the bench and fulfill that role. Until he becomes a superstar - but then that'll be a good problem to have anyway, so it'll be a non-issue.
vegas
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I was checking MJ's rookie stats (38 mpg) and wasn't going to post because Kanter has such a hard time with TOs, but they are the SAME per 36. Also Durant shot 43%/28% his rookie year.
The reality is that we really don't know where we would be if Jazz brass did the full rebuild. I like to think that we have a few gems buried on the bench that need to get a big green light. I feel like the alternative is a condemnation to mediocrity anyways.
I've also mentioned Koufus before. I thought he was the poster child for bust, now he is the starting center for the Nuggets. He was the 23rd pick! I would expect exponentially better things from 3rd picks.
I always want to believe that the Jazz know what they are doing, but I just can't make it add up. I hope they prove me wrong, or at least the 4 come along slowly and are not hindered by of lack of opportunity early on.
The reality is that we really don't know where we would be if Jazz brass did the full rebuild. I like to think that we have a few gems buried on the bench that need to get a big green light. I feel like the alternative is a condemnation to mediocrity anyways.
I've also mentioned Koufus before. I thought he was the poster child for bust, now he is the starting center for the Nuggets. He was the 23rd pick! I would expect exponentially better things from 3rd picks.
I always want to believe that the Jazz know what they are doing, but I just can't make it add up. I hope they prove me wrong, or at least the 4 come along slowly and are not hindered by of lack of opportunity early on.