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Did we take any steps back defensively?

My bet is we will still be top 10 team D and now top 5 team O. Good combo for a deep playoff run.
 
Marginally a step back. I’m concerned about rebounding from the 4 However I think it’s maybe underestimated how mediocre Ricky’s D was for large stretches of last year so I think we’ll be much better at the point defensively as long as Mudiay doesn’t play much
 
Good analysis, chicaggie. I guess a better indicator would be to examine the defensive efficiency of all the prior players before they played with Rudy (compared with after) and check the new guys after 30, then 50 games.
 
Douchebag K said:
Marginally a step back. I’m concerned about rebounding from the 4 However I think it’s maybe underestimated how mediocre Ricky’s D was for large stretches of last year so I think we’ll be much better at the point defensively as long as Mudiay doesn’t play much
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I, too, am concerned about rebounding, as I have been forever, because I've insisted we need a 4 who really rebounds (one reason I hadn't been super high on Harris, despite him rebounding better recently). However, Favors really only played with Gobert for a few minutes, so we haven't been running with a rebounding four really at all (Crowder not much of a rebounder nor Niang). So I believe our rebounding from the four will be a wash. Though not good, I don't think we've lost anything.
 
infection said:
I, too, am concerned about rebounding, as I have been forever, because I've insisted we need a 4 who really rebounds (one reason I hadn't been super high on Harris, despite him rebounding better recently). However, Favors really only played with Gobert for a few minutes, so we haven't been running with a rebounding four really at all (Crowder not much of a rebounder nor Niang). So I believe our rebounding from the four will be a wash. Though not good, I don't think we've lost anything.
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We will slip a little on defense... but still top 3 or 4. Rebounding may be the biggest issue. We were a very good... I think the best defensive rebounding team iirc... offensive rebounds mean easy second chance points.

Some of this will be offset by the fact that Mike Conley is so surehanded with the ball and Ricky well... not so much. We will have less live ball turnovers on the pick and roll which will allow less transition opportunities.

We will make more shots which means the opposing team faces a set defense more... that is no fun for opposing teams.

I think the swap of Favs for Bojan is enough of a downgrade defensively that we slip a bit. I’m not sure it will be super noticeable because the offense should be soooooooo much better.
 
Engorged On Unborn Gore said:
Good analysis, chicaggie. I guess a better indicator would be to examine the defensive efficiency of all the prior players before they played with Rudy (compared with after) and check the new guys after 30, then 50 games.
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I considered comparing players' DRtgs in Snyder's system with Rudy and in other systems to see how much, if at all, they benefited, but then decided it would be easier just to draw an unsupported conclusion that these players will play better in Snyder's system with Rudy and that I'd better get back to work instead. :)
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
We will slip a little on defense... but still top 3 or 4. Rebounding may be the biggest issue. We were a very good... I think the best defensive rebounding team iirc... offensive rebounds mean easy second chance points.

Some of this will be offset by the fact that Mike Conley is so surehanded with the ball and Ricky well... not so much. We will have less live ball turnovers on the pick and roll which will allow less transition opportunities.

We will make more shots which means the opposing team faces a set defense more... that is no fun for opposing teams.

I think the swap of Favs for Bojan is enough of a downgrade defensively that we slip a bit. I’m not sure it will be super noticeable because the offense should be soooooooo much better.
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The swap in defense with Favors is really the swap of Favors for Green, assuming he starts. The bulk of Favors' minutes were at the 5 so it's really Favors at the 5 vs. Ed at the 5, and Green at the 4 vs. Favors at the 4. I think Green wins out because playing next to Gobert, we needed a four who could defend the perimeter, which I think Green will do better than Favors.
 
infection said:
The swap in defense with Favors is really the swap of Favors for Green, assuming he starts. The bulk of Favors' minutes were at the 5 so it's really Favors at the 5 vs. Ed at the 5, and Green at the 4 vs. Favors at the 4. I think Green wins out because playing next to Gobert, we needed a four who could defend the perimeter, which I think Green will do better than Favors.
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It isn't a 1 v 1 type of deal. I think Favs was good next to Rudy... much better than Green will be... he doesn't get cooked on the perimeter like other bigs and gives you additional rim protection and rebounding.

Also we are swapping Bojan for Ingles in the starting lineup.

When you consider the whole one year sample I think we may end up being better. We seemed to struggle a bit to start the year because of all the fouls being called.... but our defensive ceiling will be lower. I think Ed is good on defense but not the rim protector Favs is. I think we take a half step back on defense unless DM has a big improvement. When you are taking 3 steps forward on offense the half step ain't a big deal.
 
Overall? No


But my mind has definitely wandered to that Bucks game in Jan/Feb when Gobert got absolutely destroyed by Giannis in historical fashion. Favors came in to save the day (the game Mitchell went nuts, probably game of the year). Bucks are the favorite to represent the East in the Finals. If that’s where we want the Jazz to be then we might miss Favors the most right when we’ve climbed so near the top of the mountain.

Poetic.
 
We lose 4 points on defense....but gain 8 points per game on offense! Plus, our shooting percentage will skyrocket....and we might just obliterate our already untouchable dunking record we broke last year! It's entirely possible that Rudy's baskets made will be 50% layups and 50% dunks!
 
We are better on defense this year. Rubio sucked on defense. Conley is a big upgrade. Mitchell is getting better and better at defense each year. Bogs is a good defender. Ingles will be back to form. He slumped a little. Crowder was overrated and Green is just as good or better. Gobert is getting better. Davis is close to as good as Favors on defense.
 
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