I was right about playoff Conley. So yeah, a repeat of being right would be awesome.
Dis-respect - Spida is taking notes (as usual).
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Not sure what is funny. I said the Jazz acquired Conley for the playoffs and that he would play well in the playoffs. He did.
If you want to say I was wrong about the Jazz winning the series, fine. I was.
I wasn't wrong about Conley tho.
Do you have anything to back that claim up? Conley had a historically great offensive playoffs series and a really good playoff. He had the 2nd highest WS on the team, 2nd highest BPM, 2nd highest vorp, 2nd highest DBPM, 2nd highest ppp, 2nd highest TS%, highest offensive rating, highest net rating, highest assists, highest steal % and the list could go on.
Conley wasn't one of the top three reasons we lost.
He didn't guard Murray a lot. But I would guess he gave up one of the lower ppp to him of any our guys. He did have some struggles guarding at times especially switched onto much bigger guys but I don't know who you can't say that about from us in that series.
NAOS
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He didn’t guard Murray a lot because he was the last guy on the roster Q wanted to see on him. And so the whole defense was shifted out of position, with DM and MC guarding significantly taller players and Royce or Joe shifted down to Murray. Disaster ensued, of course.
The stats for that series are all super skewed because of the two blowout games (and Conley played in the most gruesome one), so I don’t put much stock in them.
Conley had a good offensive series. But he was the rot at the heart of the rotten defense.
I thought Conley played well in the playoffs. He did as much as he could. Unfortunately it just didn’t make the difference that O’Neale or Ingles would have it they had a good series. We lacked both on ball defense and perimeter defenders with defensive range. Conley can’t guard the ball and can’t cover a lot of ground defense, and his days of being able to do that are gone. The guy guarding the worst player is often the most important player because he’s the one who can help...but that’s wasted on Conley.
Mitchell hasn’t shown the ability or willingness to play offense in a way that can conserve energy on defense. Even with 2-3 additional ball handlers on the court, he plays the same way. That means his defense is always going to be nothing or negative.
With two small guards not playing much defense, we’re always going to be in a hole. As well as Conley played, we’re building this team around Donovan and Gobert. If you don’t fit around those two you’re a luxury and that’s all Conley can be on this roster. It’s not quite as obvious as Favors+Gobert, but it’s a combo we can’t rely on and want to avoid.
Mitchell hasn’t shown the ability or willingness to play offense in a way that can conserve energy on defense. Even with 2-3 additional ball handlers on the court, he plays the same way. That means his defense is always going to be nothing or negative.
With two small guards not playing much defense, we’re always going to be in a hole. As well as Conley played, we’re building this team around Donovan and Gobert. If you don’t fit around those two you’re a luxury and that’s all Conley can be on this roster. It’s not quite as obvious as Favors+Gobert, but it’s a combo we can’t rely on and want to avoid.
This will get Quin COY
We put our best defenders on Murray and he torched them. Not because we shifted players around, because they couldn't guard him and were incredibly hot shooting. Conley probably should have guarded him more He also had great numbers in the losses. The only game that wasn't great was game 7. DM guarded Murray as well but got worn out. That was also a large issue. They tried hiding Mitchell on defense as well. We also had clarkson playing who is a worse defender and doesn't help there offense as much as Conley.
I want to trade Conley for a better fit, I didn't want him to begin with but your take is pretty exteme without much to back it up.
Also if the blowouts helped Conley's stats they should help the rest of the team. It's pretty fair to look at the team in the series and see which stats show who helped the most in that series.
NAOS
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Plenty to back it up. Conley’s defense was atrocious. And he put the rest of the defense at a disadvantage.