Do you feel the front office is to blame?

[Game6Conley]

I blame the fans that booed him when he was drafted. But seriously, does there really need to be blame ? The front office did what they could, .. However, I'd be more concerned if they did not have a backup plan in place. That wouldn't sound like DL.. I'm going to stay positive and assume that he pulls some magic out of a hat to keep us competitive.

They sacrificed too much and fell too short, of course there should be blame.

The objective is to win the championship, right? Their house of cards plan to make it happen has just collapsed for all to see, in a way that would lead most sensible folks to believe it was a ****ty plan in the first place. Now its back to the drawing board and the window where they had players like Rodney Hood on contract for cheap is nearly closed, and they weren't able to seize those opportunities.

 

[Game6Conley]

I'm becoming aware that i have a different view from many other people on this board. Fine. I like my views, and will continue to baffle the minds of those that don't get me. I am much more interested in the development of the rough jems that just need polishing than I am trading for a superstar. It's much more personable to me. It isn't what some other fans like. Meh. I like sardines and vinegar drinks too. Hate me if you want, fine.

(looks for umbrella to block some of the backlash)

Edit: and salt+vinegar chips, and green olives, and squid. I had calamari once at the la'cai, it wasn't half bad. and mutton/lamb. love that stuff,

The thing is dude I've been calling for this. The issue here is why aren't there more gems to polish? The FO cast the chance at many new ones aside to go and invest in fools gold, thats the answer.... Thats by-far the most infuriating part of this whole thing... There's serious cap flexibility ramifications from these moves too.


They could've gotten several back for Hayward. They could've had one instead of trading for George Hill. They could've had another instead of trading for Ricky Rubio. They wasted 2 opportunites for gems to trade up for Burke. They could've gone after younger free agents who need polish instead they went for "win-now" experienced vets, only to run straight into a brick wall and 4 1st quarter blowouts in a 2nd rd sweep...

 

[fishonjazz]

Pgab is to blame for this abortion of a thread.

 

[Game6Conley]

Pgab is to blame for this abortion of a thread.

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

55-60 win team with just 2 key players healthy, let alone all the other injuries like doucheward missing the first month.

If you put together a team capable of winning that much and somebody wants to claim incompetence, that's when you start ignoring their posts and autonegging.

Did not read OP other than I say yes. Betting 95% of posters do same.

 

[BTP]

I'm fine with everything but the first Hayward extension. At this point in time it was already pretty obvious that a cap spike was coming, and if it really only came down to 500k per year in the 2013 extension talks then it was not smart to not take it. In 2014 a 5 year max with no player options would have been the way to go since it was clear that Hayward was still improving and a 2014 max would even in worst case be a reasonable salary for a 3rd option in 2016 and onwards.
Had they gotten more years they wouldn't have been forced to negotiate in 2017 and instead in 2019 or 2018, where the circumstances could have been more in favor of the Jazz. I'm sure Lindsey learned from it and it showed in Rudy's extension last year.
It's a really bad situation for the Jazz right now, we'll see what comes from it over time but I'm bummed as well right now.

 

[tleikheen]

Yes ,a weak yes but yes nevertheless.....Kanter wanted out and Jazz should have partnered him with Gobert ,instead they backed Favors who has been hurt alot the past two seasons.We all know kanter is weak defensively but his scoring is elite and instead of Gobert protecting s poor defender like Kanter he covers for a one legged Favors if they play together.
Now Hayward who signed away from Jazz once before leaves AGAIN but this time to never come back to play with the Jazz anymore.Hayward was professional about it,playing like an AllStar but he signed a contract with another team AGAIN !!!!
The Jazz traded a lottery pick for what turns out to be a one year rental and signed old vets and quite possibly having alienated Exum and Hood as a result.They will be RFA next year but will we see them sign with another team to see Jazz match,another Hayward situation.

Jazz need to play the young players ,it's a players league and get back to their core beliefs ...draft and develop.Quit alienating their young players for short term gains.Golden State drafted and developed themselves into a powerhouse ....I thought the Jazz were on their way until they wandered from their gameplan to appease Hayward.Imagine if they drafted last year their 12th pick pared with their 12th pick this year.Stick to the program Jazz !

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

I'm fine with everything but the first Hayward extension. At this point in time it was already pretty obvious that a cap spike was coming, and if it really only came down to 500k per year in the 2013 extension talks then it was not smart to not take it. In 2014 a 5 year max with no player options would have been the way to go since it was clear that Hayward was still improving and a 2014 max would even in worst case be a reasonable salary for a 3rd option in 2016 and onwards.
Had they gotten more years they wouldn't have been forced to negotiate in 2017 and instead in 2019 or 2018, where the circumstances could have been more in favor of the Jazz. I'm sure Lindsey learned from it and it showed in Rudy's extension last year.
It's a really bad situation for the Jazz right now, we'll see what comes from it over time but I'm bummed as well right now.

Nothing was obvious about Hayward's first contract. He didn't have a good year leading up, and it was far from a given that he'd get maxed. Also, matching that contract was a huge gamble. It could have easily gone the other way, where Hayward had several more mediocre years, in which case, everybody would be using their power of hindsight to say it should have been obvious not to match.

 

[zyzz]

Biggest mistake was not giving Hayward the 5 year max when he was a RFA. But at that time, it was quite unpopular to give him the max, and we didn't know the cap would spike that much. His old max was the equivalent of like 25mil a year for an inefficient 16/5/5 guy. Obviously they misread the market and Hayward's progression, so there's a lot of hindsight involved and some bad luck since they didn't know about the cap spike. If he was locked in for 2 more years at like 16mil/yr right now, we could have traded him for some of Ainge's assets he holds so dearly. Stevens probably would have persuaded him to give up one of Tatum/Brown plus a first (maybe that Memphis 1st that becomes unprotected). Rolling with an Exum, Mitchell, Hood, Gobert, Favors, Brown or Tatum core could have been legit.

 

[FalseFlagg K]

I have zero issue with this front office an a tonne of issues with douche_ab. Just stfu. Wayward screwed us over

 

[cctrackstar]

The Spurs have been developing young guys while winning with vets for years. The thing that they do to make it work is to convince the vets to play for less money because they want to play for the Spurs. Team culture, and getting the right kind of players. I really thought that Hayward was the right kind, but turns out that he was just an insecure player who wanted to curl up at the feet of the security blanket of his college coach to play against inferior talent to get a false easy victory until he gets buzz sawed by the warriors or whomever comes out of the west (frankly, the top four teams in the west would beat his team).

Anyway, the way you have years of success is to do a delicate balancing act between development and winning, but winning prevents high draft picks, so you have to find those jems that just need polishing, but they won't want to stay here if the team isn't winning, so you actually do need both winning and development. The Jazz are close, but this sets them back some.

 

[MTS]

This blame game is childish.