Does Lauri Get Traded?

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None of those players are ATGs. Some of them won't even be HOFers. Oooh, Trae made a single All-NBA team. Put up right up there with Jokić and Curry.

But sure, I'll bite. Let's see how you're not trolling. Build a team around Beal of players who aren't better than him that would win a title. Let's see what you come up with.

Now you are trolling. You were the one that mentioned guys like Ja, Zion and Jaylen but now the standard is all time great like Jokic and Curry. Stop with this crap. There isn't a single person on this board that would be disappointed if we were to get a player the caliber of Kyrie, Beal, KAT or Trae with a top 5 pick and that includes you.

 

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I'd be working to keep Lauri and tank... which means I'd be trying to move Sexton, Kessler, JC X 2... create maximum cap flexibility for a big splash next year. Hope to catch lightening in a bottle and get a high pick, maybe one of the young guys "pops", and you also have cap space to make some win-now type signings to bolster the team. If things aren't working you can pivot and trade Lauri at the draft.

One thing I think we will have to do though is compromise a bit on trade value. I don't want to do that with Lauri... but we will have to have flexibility to get some deals done over the next 12 months. Including like pick/rookie consolidation at some point.

I kind of feel like the more important thing for a tank than not having great players is having a ton of young inexperienced players and giving them tons of minutes. Meaning... I don't mind if you have Lauri and Sexton on the team(those are the two that people seem to most want to keep). As long as you can guarantee tons of minutes to Hendricks, Keyonte, Sensabaugh, Williams, Collier, Filipowski, Lofton... In other words, I don't want to see 2xJC take ANY of those minutes. Just... trade them for whatever you can get. I'm a bit split on Kessler. I don't want us to pick some mediocre starter and play him 30 minutes a game. Also... load management... and injury management. Do A LOT OF IT! No need to push Lauri to get back from a sprained ankle in a week. Give him 3 or 4 instead. No need to play Sexton and Lauri on back to backs... just pick a game and sit them in one of them... etc. You get it.

 

[SteakNEggs]

At first it was a definite no
Then it seemed like it was going to happen for a few days
Now I don't think it's happening again

 

[NAOS_pt2]

I kind of feel like the more important thing for a tank than not having great players is having a ton of young inexperienced players and giving them tons of minutes. Meaning... I don't mind if you have Lauri and Sexton on the team(those are the two that people seem to most want to keep). As long as you can guarantee tons of minutes to Hendricks, Keyonte, Sensabaugh, Williams, Collier, Filipowski, Lofton... In other words, I don't want to see 2xJC take ANY of those minutes. Just... trade them for whatever you can get. I'm a bit split on Kessler. I don't want us to pick some mediocre starter and play him 30 minutes a game. Also... load management... and injury management. Do A LOT OF IT! No need to push Lauri to get back from a sprained ankle in a week. Give him 3 or 4 instead. No need to play Sexton and Lauri on back to backs... just pick a game and sit them in one of them... etc. You get it.

I like all of this.

I'd just add that you can also sell Lauri and Sexton on spending possessions outside their established comfort zones (i.e. in game-expanding situations). Put Lauri in more playmaking scenarios; have Colin take more off-the-dribble 3s; etc. Expand their games before optimizing possessions next year.

 

[HermanG]

Also FWIW @Handlogten's Heros I think my tanking perspective has matured largely thanks to the debates we have had. I was much more of a black and white guy two years ago, but some of it is sinking in.

However I am still 100% sure its not THE PLAN, or even a great plan in all circumstances. You need to give up winning players to become a losing team, and that is what you eventually hope to get by doing so which is the paradox I'm finding hard to overcome. You dont just flip the switch one day and turn those losing guys into winning guys either. The MVP level guy is THE argument for tanking that I can somewhat get behind. The odds are better at the top. However they are still crap, and those guys come up realistically once ever 3 years or so. And only 1 of the 30 teams get "the correct pick" to land that guy. Its not always 1, or top 3, or even top 10.

If we were in a situation where giving up a 32 year old vet would help us lose 5 games then get the guy the **** out of here already. But giving up Kessler to lose more? Really? Giving up Lauri is even riskier, as then you need to find not 1 but 2 stars.

 

[fishonjazz]

I'd be working to keep Lauri and tank... which means I'd be trying to move Sexton, Kessler, JC X 2... create maximum cap flexibility for a big splash next year. Hope to catch lightening in a bottle and get a high pick, maybe one of the young guys "pops", and you also have cap space to make some win-now type signings to bolster the team. If things aren't working you can pivot and trade Lauri at the draft.

One thing I think we will have to do though is compromise a bit on trade value. I don't want to do that with Lauri... but we will have to have flexibility to get some deals done over the next 12 months. Including like pick/rookie consolidation at some point.

Ya it could be a really quick turnaround if we get a legit stud in next year's draft, one or two of Hendricks, key, Collier, Cody break out in 25-26 season, and we make a splash or two in free agency next summer.

Could be top 5 in the West after next season with some good luck.

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[fishonjazz]

I kind of feel like the more important thing for a tank than not having great players is having a ton of young inexperienced players and giving them tons of minutes. Meaning... I don't mind if you have Lauri and Sexton on the team(those are the two that people seem to most want to keep). As long as you can guarantee tons of minutes to Hendricks, Keyonte, Sensabaugh, Williams, Collier, Filipowski, Lofton... In other words, I don't want to see 2xJC take ANY of those minutes. Just... trade them for whatever you can get. I'm a bit split on Kessler. I don't want us to pick some mediocre starter and play him 30 minutes a game. Also... load management... and injury management. Do A LOT OF IT! No need to push Lauri to get back from a sprained ankle in a week. Give him 3 or 4 instead. No need to play Sexton and Lauri on back to backs... just pick a game and sit them in one of them... etc. You get it.

And for the back to backs be strategic which ones you sit them in.

If we are playing the nuggets and the wizards in a back to back then play Lauri and Sexton against the nuggets who will probably beat us anyway and then rest them against the wizards and maybe we can pull off the loss.

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[fishonjazz]

I like all of this.

I'd just add that you can also sell Lauri and Sexton on spending possessions outside their established comfort zones (i.e. in game-expanding situations). Put Lauri in more playmaking scenarios; have Colin take more off-the-dribble 3s; etc. Expand their games before optimizing possessions next year.

Tell Kessler to pretend to be dirk on offense and have him guard Kyrie on the perimeter on defense. Let him expand his game lol.

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[HermanG]

I like all of this.

I'd just add that you can also sell Lauri and Sexton on spending possessions outside their established comfort zones (i.e. in game-expanding situations). Put Lauri in more playmaking scenarios; have Colin take more off-the-dribble 3s; etc. Expand their games before optimizing possessions next year.

I like this albeit its also sort of risky as they might bleed value. So I wouldn't make them do outlandish things, but instead try to expand it in a way that can at least theoretically be successful.

 

[Elizah Huge]

I’m team keep Lauri and trade Clarkson and Collins if possible. Possibly look into trading Sexton if the value was right.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I’m team keep Lauri and trade Clarkson and Collins if possible. Possibly look into trading Sexton if the value was right.

Wow, getting bold.

 

[HermanG]

I'm very solidly in the team that thinks Danny will eventually be "forced" to trade Lauri. Its just not necessarily gonna happen this offseason.

Its just that one of two things will eventually happen (or they meet in the middle):
- Timeline gets too whacky
- The godfather offer comes

So unless something accelerates the timeline or unless the trade market outlook changes dramatically from this arms race situation... I dont see how DA would not eventually be put into the situation where making the move is the smartest thing to do.