Does Lauri Get Traded?

[KqWIN]

I didn't remember this... I know you mentioned Raps as a JK destination but I was like "Barnes, Poeltl, Barrett... not sure we want ball handling non-shooter with them".

I think I'd be cool taking the 2026 Indy pick they have and calling it a day.

There are many articles that say the same thing, this is just one. If you do a google search for articles in January you will see a ton of them. The rumor mill was hot because it became even more obvious that Siakam would be traded once OG was traded. OG trade was completed Dec 30. Kuminga for Siakam was a well known rumor. Paul George even talked about it on his podcast.

The Golden State Warriors have long been linked to Siakam and certainly could use a boost as they sit below .500. However, the Raptors would want Jonathan Kuminga in any trade (Chris Paul is a given as salary ballast) and, despite recent frustrations, the Warriors have no plans to deal Kuminga to Toronto or anywhere else, reports Michael Grange at Sportsnet in Canada.

Still, according to multiple sources, the Warriors are loathe to trade Kuminga, who is seen as a potential star who can help them win now and in the future, the rare piece on the roster who can help Golden State both support Steph Curry in the present and transition to a successful post-Curry future, should it ever come.

The Warriors could try to swap Moses Moody for Kuminga in a potential Siakam trade, but the Raptors will want more than that (another promising young player or picks). Chris Paul being out at least a month following hand surgery adds to the challenge of any trade involving him. The most likely outcome for Golden State at the deadline is they stand pat, try to get healthy, see how much better things look with Draymond Green back, and then make some hard choices come the summer.

Warriors reportedly don't want to trade Kuminga for Siakam (or anyone), Toronto's options limited

Sources told NBC Sports there is no traction toward a Siakam trade anywhere at this point.

www.nbcsports.com

And just for reference to what I was saying, these are Kuminga's numbers before and after Jan 1. If they liked him at the beginning of Jan, they probably still really him now. The IND 26 pick is like 1/3 or less of the value of the actual trade so I'd assume that would be very easy to get for Kuminga.

Before: 22 MPG - 12.5/4.0/1.3 - 50/29/67 - 57% TS

After: 30 MPG - 18.6/5.3/2.9 - 54/35/79 - 61% TS

 

[Bodhi]

7 first round picks and guaranteed awful for the next two (supposed) super drafts. But yeah, it's a pretty great deal for the Lakers. Not well thought out or serious. I just tried to make something work.

I guess to make it more fair, Brown goes to the Warriors and the Lakers keep JV/Vincent?

I get it. Anything 4 team is going to be hard. I just dont know why any of the 3 other teams need the Lakers involved other than those 2 mythical picks. Maybe Im missing it but I think you can get whats needed with just us, TOR and GS.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

There are many articles that say the same thing, this is just one. If you do a google search for articles in January you will see a ton of them. The rumor mill was hot because it became even more obvious that Siakam would be traded once OG was traded. OG trade was completed Dec 30. Kuminga for Siakam was a well known rumor. Paul George even talked about it on his podcast.

Warriors reportedly don't want to trade Kuminga for Siakam (or anyone), Toronto's options limited

Sources told NBC Sports there is no traction toward a Siakam trade anywhere at this point.

www.nbcsports.com

And just for reference to what I was saying, these are Kuminga's numbers before and after Jan 1. If they liked him at the beginning of Jan, they probably still really him now. The IND 26 pick is like 1/3 or less of the value of the actual trade so I'd assume that would be very easy to get for Kuminga.

Before: 22 MPG - 12.5/4.0/1.3 - 50/29/67 - 57% TS

After: 30 MPG - 18.6/5.3/2.9 - 54/35/79 - 61% TS

Just an FYI... I was not doubting you at all. Was just saying I didn't remember. When you mentioned a fake trade with Toronto weeks back I just assumed you were doing the "kuminga seems like the Massai type" thing. And even though it doesn't make sense to me.. if they have interest (which it seems they do) then I'd be having that convo with them.

Brown and the Pacers pick... maybe we can sneak Clarkson in the deal? Re-route Brown.

 

[KqWIN]

Just an FYI... I was not doubting you at all. Was just saying I didn't remember. When you mentioned a fake trade with Toronto weeks back I just assumed you were doing the "kuminga seems like the Massai type" thing. And even though it doesn't make sense to me.. if they have interest (which it seems they do) then I'd be having that convo with them.

Brown and the Pacers pick... maybe we can sneak Clarkson in the deal? Re-route Brown.

I was just giving some credence to what I was saying before. We'll never know for sure if TOR would have preferred Kuminga+Paul to the IND package because Kumigna was never on the table....but I think it stands to reason that it's somewhat close and that if they liked Kuminga then, they also like him now given his significantly better play. IND 26 + Brown is like half the value of what they got for Siakam so I also think that's extremely gettable. Situations are fluid, but I can't see a world in which their valuation of Kuminga has dropped by like half. Personally, I prefer keeping Kuminga, but I do think something like that is on the table if we want to redirect him.

We also made a down payment to them, so factor that into the deal as well

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I was just giving some credence to what I was saying before. We'll never know for sure if TOR would have preferred Kuminga+Paul to the IND package because Kumigna was never on the table....but I think it stands to reason that it's somewhat close and that if they liked Kuminga then, they also like him now given his significantly better play. IND 26 + Brown is like half the value of what they got for Siakam so I also think that's extremely gettable. Situations are fluid, but I can't see a world in which their valuation of Kuminga has dropped by like half. Personally, I prefer keeping Kuminga, but I do think something like that is on the table if we want to redirect him.

We also made a down payment to them, so factor that into the deal as well

We've got a lot of down payments out there now.

 

[framer]

The lakers were a borderline play in team last year and they will likely be that this year. Strictly from a talent perspective they are at a similar level to last year. I do like the addition of Knecht and he should give them decent minutes right away.

If they are relying on Knect for decent minutes, that would not be a good sign.

 

[Archie Moses]

Lauri is the younger brother of AK. He's better at everything than being the older brother getting swatted by big bro. No dis to AK.

I'm happy to see the dude make a name for himself and as always, I want the Jazz to win now. But he's earned my respect to know the Jazz are betting on years from now, contracts to expire, injuries, draft picks, etc - you can name more.

If they wanna tank to land you know who, then you just don't know how odds work. It's what Vegas is built upon.

Although CW and IC are safe - somewhat. I hope I'm proven wrong and you all make me a fool. I'd feel like a scout.

He's probably gonna ball. If you've read more about IC and his drop, to me, it's being a kid, pressure, humbling and I like him.

CW - love him, cross my fingers for him, he reminds me of SDSU KL. Raw and talented. Delonte Exum had his ball vibe to me, mainly, he can gluide on defense. His injuries stole his potential. I know, trust me.

#takenote #gojazz #jazzhacks

 

[NUMBERICA]

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Madness (the 2030 GS 2nd rounder is actually the top 20 portion of their first)

I think this is kinda badass TBH. I don’t think the Warriors are actually trying to offload Wiggins necessarily, and the Jazz need to take on salary to get to the floor. I’m gonna take a stab at doing my own version of this basic framework but I honestly think this is killer.

Then go sign every Drew Eubanks All-Star you can find on the market and roll.

 

[KqWIN]

DARKO progression for young players mentioned in Lauri trades.

 

[sip]

If they are relying on Knect for decent minutes, that would not be a good sign.

I would be surprised if he doesn't give them solid minutes off the bench. I have him top 3 in the ROY race.

 

[HermanG]

I would say about Siakam is that I dont think he is 20% of the fit Lauri is in a Kerr motion offense.

Its just off ball activity and floor spacing. Going from Kuminga to Siakam is not improving the fit much even if its a clear talent upgrade.

So Id say Warriors probably value Lauri much higher as he also makes Steph and Dray better. Siakam really doesnt.

 

[Ron Mexico]

I have no idea why Lauri would prefer to go to GS. The team would be gutted and no way to improve their aging roster. They would be a playoff team if healthy but not a competitive one. Green has already fallen off and will continue. Steph is still elite but I am not sure that is enough to do much and they are 1 Steph injury away from out of the playoffs and wont have their own pick. He is better building something here. If he cares about winning then he would not sign an extension and sign as a FA with a team and give up the extra money. That way the team isnt gutted to trade from him. Or wait it out and build with Utah.

Personally I would not trade him for any package GS can or is offering. The only way I would feel slightly okay is if GS gives up every pick, swap, and young player we want. But I doubt they do that. So I think he stays since its a bad move to trade him.

That said I dont think we are a bottom 5 this year with Lauri, Sexton, and others. We are better than last year. Last year we were awful at the Guard positions for about the first half of the year. I think that part is likely solved. Sexton is drastically improved from the start of last year. I think Clarkson likely has a bounce back season, especially since I think he goes back to his role he is used to. I think its clear that Keyonte is improved. Not having THT get major minutes is a plus. Kessler will be improved. Collins improved a lot across last season despite being in a bad role for him. I think he has continued to learn and will be better after an off season with the staff. The 1st and 2nd year guys will be up and down but a few of them have a chance to actually contribute to winning.

Post trades last year should not really be looked at. The team went full tank and the players quit. They also benched a lot of guys and made it clear we wanted to lose and thats what happened. We lost a couple guys but I dont think that matters too much and the improvements from our other players is bigger than the loss of those guys. I think we are a borderline play in team again unless there is more trades with a chance to be even better if we have a breakout performance from a young guy.

Sexton would be the player to move to drop off but I dont think his value is high around the league. He also could take another jump and/or play like he did in the second half with more minutes and really be a difference maker. His value would jump up big time or make himself a keeper. If he can improve passing even more and play with Lauri better that could win a lot of games.

 

[HermanG]

I have no idea why Lauri would prefer to go to GS. The team would be gutted and no way to improve their aging roster. They would be a playoff team if healthy but not a competitive one. Green has already fallen off and will continue. Steph is still elite but I am not sure that is enough to do much and they are 1 Steph injury away from out of the playoffs and wont have their own pick. He is better building something here. If he cares about winning then he would not sign an extension and sign as a FA with a team and give up the extra money. That way the team isnt gutted to trade from him. Or wait it out and build with Utah.

Personally I would not trade him for any package GS can or is offering. The only way I would feel slightly okay is if GS gives up every pick, swap, and young player we want. But I doubt they do that. So I think he stays since its a bad move to trade him.

That said I dont think we are a bottom 5 this year with Lauri, Sexton, and others. We are better than last year. Last year we were awful at the Guard positions for about the first half of the year. I think that part is likely solved. Sexton is drastically improved from the start of last year. I think Clarkson likely has a bounce back season, especially since I think he goes back to his role he is used to. I think its clear that Keyonte is improved. Not having THT get major minutes is a plus. Kessler will be improved. Collins improved a lot across last season despite being in a bad role for him. I think he has continued to learn and will be better after an off season with the staff. The 1st and 2nd year guys will be up and down but a few of them have a chance to actually contribute to winning.

Post trades last year should not really be looked at. The team went full tank and the players quit. They also benched a lot of guys and made it clear we wanted to lose and thats what happened. We lost a couple guys but I dont think that matters too much and the improvements from our other players is bigger than the loss of those guys. I think we are a borderline play in team again unless there is more trades with a chance to be even better if we have a breakout performance from a young guy.

Sexton would be the player to move to drop off but I dont think his value is high around the league. He also could take another jump and/or play like he did in the second half with more minutes and really be a difference maker. His value would jump up big time or make himself a keeper. If he can improve passing even more and play with Lauri better that could win a lot of games.

I think one good point you make here is we may be underestimating year 2 Keyonte and his possible contributions to winning.

 

[Ron Mexico]

I think one good point you make here is we may be underestimating year 2 Keyonte and his possible contributions to winning.

It's basically year two Keyonte vs THT just year. I think we're upgraded there. Our starters are definitely improved over the start of last season compared to the start of this year. The backups are debatable.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

It's basically year two Keyonte vs THT just year. I think we're upgraded there. Our starters are definitely improved over the start of last season compared to the start of this year. The backups are debatable.

Also nearly impossible for Clarkson to be worse than last year and he won't be a Day 1 starter

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

It's basically year two Keyonte vs THT just year. I think we're upgraded there. Our starters are definitely improved over the start of last season compared to the start of this year. The backups are debatable.

It will be tough to be much worse at guard than we were to start the season last year. The Hunger Games method ended up yielding a bunch of me first play. It was awful. That said… we have offloaded 3 of our top +- guys from last year in Tech Dunn KO. I think the over under of 27.5 is pretty spot on right now. Move one vet and our rotation will be made up of 40-50% developing players and we can end up firmly bottom 5

 

[Ron Mexico]

It will be tough to be much worse at guard than we were to start the season last year. The Hunger Games method ended up yielding a bunch of me first play. It was awful. That said… we have offloaded 3 of our top +- guys from last year in Tech Dunn KO. I think the over under of 27.5 is pretty spot on right now. Move one vet and our rotation will be made up of 40-50% developing players and we can end up firmly bottom 5

Yeah, those three gone is why the bench is likely worse unless some guys breakout. But that said Tech wasn't good to start the season. Most on this board hated him until he broke out. Dunn didn't play much early. But KO was big for us especially early. With the current roster and no changes 27.5 is low to me. But when odds makers are looking at the last two years they have to factor in second half hard core tanking tactics so it might not be far off with that in mind. Even moving one vet not named Lauri doesn't guarantee bottom 5. But obviously makes it more likely. This team has out performed by a decent amount under Hardy until the FO goes Tonya Harding on them.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

My guess is the Lauri trade/extension triggers another transaction. If I had to guess it would be some sort of Lakers salary dump move like Clarkson for Dlo and Vincent. Dlo then gets a buy out and heads out somewhere. Would guess he'd get a few million on the open market so might make the buyout a little less pricey. Pick compensation of some sort comes back our way.

I think Grant in Portland, Ingram in NO, Cam Johnson and DFS in Brooklyn and a few other moves happen but might be waiting on the Lauri domino.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Yeah, those three gone is why the bench is likely worse unless some guys breakout. But that said Tech wasn't good to start the season. Most on this board hated him until he broke out. Dunn didn't play much early. But KO was big for us especially early. With the current roster and no changes 27.5 is low to me. But when odds makers are looking at the last two years they have to factor in second half hard core tanking tactics so it might not be far off with that in mind. Even moving one vet not named Lauri doesn't guarantee bottom 5. But obviously makes it more likely. This team has out performed by a decent amount under Hardy until the FO goes Tonya Harding on them.

And that number also factors in the chance we may move Lauri I'm sure. Even if it is only like a 10-20% chance. It depends on which vet is moved but if Sexton or Kessler were moved I think bottom 5 is a lock... if its Clarkson... maybe not.

I just can't think of many examples of teams with like 5 rookies/2nd year players in the rotation that won 25+ games. Unless one of the rookies/2nd year guys are transcendent Wemby types.

 

[NUMBERICA]

My guess is the Lauri trade/extension triggers another transaction. If I had to guess it would be some sort of Lakers salary dump move like Clarkson for Dlo and Vincent. Dlo then gets a buy out and heads out somewhere. Would guess he'd get a few million on the open market so might make the buyout a little less pricey. Pick compensation of some sort comes back our way.

I think Grant in Portland, Ingram in NO, Cam Johnson and DFS in Brooklyn and a few other moves happen but might be waiting on the Lauri domino.

The way you juice more value for and incentive from the Lakers is you do a three team where D-Lo goes to Cleveland and Okoro comes back here in a S&T, then Cleveland trades D-Lo to us for Clarkson a separate transaction shortly thereafter, thereby making him eligible to re-sign with the Lakers.