Does Lauri Get Traded?

[KqWIN]

Hawks don't have money issues anymore. Unless I'm missing something, they are under the tax and thus Clarkson would just make their cap situation worse bc Capela is expiring.

This makes the Pels a more intriguing buyer IMO. They need a cost effective C more than ATL does.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

You have to get more than one pick. You cant give up Kessler and save the Hawks money for one mediocre pick.

It get ms them some saving this year which don’t matter to us because we are currently below the floor. They take JCs deal on which has another year left. It saves both parties some money/space.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Hawks don't have money issues anymore. Unless I'm missing something, they are under the tax and thus Clarkson would just make their cap situation worse bc Capela is expiring.

This makes the Pels a more intriguing buyer IMO. They need a cost effective C more than ATL does.

It gives them some breathing room but next year they need a center anyway. JC would be a good fit there as they will need some offensive creation.

 

[KqWIN]

It gives them some breathing room but next year they need a center anyway. JC would be a good fit there as they will need some offensive creation.

Breathing room doesn't really matter, they are under. I doubt they'd want JC at neutral value...they'd rather just not have him on the books for next year, but I can see them tolerating JC's contract more than others. IMO, the cost dumping Clarkson is probably one first. So that can be how you get to two firsts value.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Only a fraction of what the Jazz can offer on his renegotiated 24-25 salary and only teams that still have cap room (there might not be any teams in the hunt that have cap space at this point, though, in which case, Lauri would be unable to receive a max extension).

The only team besides the Jazz that might be able to get him a max extension are the Pistons. Which now that I think about it... why aren't they in the conversation? That NY has problematic protections, but what about *drum roll* super swaps? If I can get super swaps from the Pistons, holy ****. Their '29-'31 picks are also totally unencumbered.

 

[sip]

Part of their tank was trading a healthy Monta Ellis for a injured and out for the season Andrew Bogut. Count it, don't count it, but it should be mentioned at least.

The craziest part about that trade is the warriors reportedly gave the bucks the choice between Curry and Ellis.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Breathing room doesn't really matter, they are under. I doubt they'd want JC at neutral value...they'd rather just not have him on the books for next year, but I can see them tolerating JC's contract more than others. IMO, the cost dumping Clarkson is probably one first. So that can be how you get to two firsts value.

It’s real money though so it does matter. If they do a deal later that brings on salary then it does matter. Next year they will need a center and Walker still cheap. By himself JC likely would cost a first to dump into straight space… but if it was for an expiring (at a bigger number) I’m not sure it does. I think Walker > Kings pick so some of that excess value is the JC tax.

 

[KqWIN]

It’s real money though so it does matter. If they do a deal later that brings on salary then it does matter. Next year they will need a center and Walker still cheap. By himself JC likely would cost a first to dump into straight space… but if it was for an expiring (at a bigger number) I’m not sure it does. I think Walker > Kings pick so some of that excess value is the JC tax.

More real money is owed to JC than Capela. That breathing room doesn't matter more than having JC on the books an additional year. If we send JC as part of this deal, they are undoubtedly doing us a favor, both sides know that, and that is part of the value coming back to UTA. I'm not saying ATL does not do this deal, just that JC is a tax like you said and not a small one either.

 

[framer]

Gambo in Phoenix says at least two teams offered two firsts for Walker. One has to be NY… curious who the other was. Says Phoenix isn’t interested.

Phoenix has literally nothing to give.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Phoenix has literally nothing to give.

You are literally wrong. They have a 2031 first to trade

 

[framer]

Confused cuz the article talks about the Warriors getting below the tax, which would cost assets, but somehow doing that will get them more assets for the trade?

Doesn't the 2nd apron limit the number if years out you can trade a pick, even more than normal?

 

[hgb]

It's actually quite difficult to trade with Pelicans too. They hardly have anything to send in return (they have picks, but they need to match salaries).

 

[SoberasHotRod]

It's actually quite difficult to trade with Pelicans too. They hardly have anything to send in return (they have picks, but they need to match salaries).

We can take back more salary, so not that hard.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Doesn't the 2nd apron limit the number if years out you can trade a pick, even more than normal?

Yes but that doesn’t go in real effect for another year.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

I think the only team that would be desperate enough to give us what we're asking for when with the risk that Lauri leaves as a free agent next year is GSW.

 

[Elizah Huge]

I think the only team that would be desperate enough to give us what we're asking for when with the risk that Lauri leaves as a free agent next year is GSW.

They’d get a commitment from him before going all-in.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

The only team besides the Jazz that might be able to get him a max extension are the Pistons. Which now that I think about it... why aren't they in the conversation? That NY has problematic protections, but what about *drum roll* super swaps? If I can get super swaps from the Pistons, holy ****. Their '29-'31 picks are also totally unencumbered.

They seemed intent on using their cap space to get assets.

 

[hgb]

We can take back more salary, so not that hard.

We can, but they can't. They don't have a lot of players under contract.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

More real money is owed to JC than Capela. That breathing room doesn't matter more than having JC on the books an additional year. If we send JC as part of this deal, they are undoubtedly doing us a favor, both sides know that, and that is part of the value coming back to UTA. I'm not saying ATL does not do this deal, just that JC is a tax like you said and not a small one either.

Total money diff from Clint to JC is $6M. They won't have space next year so JC's deal next year is whatevs. He has some value maybe its closer to 5-6M than 14M per year and if you factor in that Walker makes $5M next year and an equivalent center would make 12-15M on the market... like I think its all kind of factored in and its a good deal for them. I think you put way too much weight on his bad year. He's negative but not by a crazy amount.

 

[KqWIN]

I think the only team that would be desperate enough to give us what we're asking for when with the risk that Lauri leaves as a free agent next year is GSW.

It’s a huge risk for these teams. There’s always a chance at a good handshake deal, but that’s a lot of time to wait on that handshake. No matter how honest Lauri may be, it would make me queasy.