Does Lauri Get Traded?

[NUMBERICA]

I can guarantee you even he wouldnt do it for 14%.

You should apologize for how wrong/bad this is.

 

[HermanG]

You should apologize for how wrong/bad this is.

I think what I will do instead is I will challenge all of you at the same time. You can go first, and @Handlogten's Heros and @stitches can help you all they want.

Dont chicken out.

Tell us how Jazz can implement a tank that is successful, by mirroring ANY historical tanking job as an example. Only rule is that our starting position and situation has to be better or equal to that teams.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I think what I will do instead is I will challenge all of you at the same time. You can go first, and @Handlogten's Heros and @stitches can help you all they want.

Dont chicken out.

Tell us how Jazz can implement a tank that is successful, by mirroring ANY historical tanking job as an example. Only rule is that our starting position and situation has to be better or equal to that teams.

Yes I should do a strawman homework report because you said something completely wrong. no. sorry.

The Hinkie guarantee is what I am completely opposed to here. If you paid attention to him you'd know how ridiculous that is. If you don't want to tank that's fine. Plenty of arguments against it. Stating that the man who took it further than any other person did and did so unapologetically wouldn't do it because a couple variables in the equation changed is ridiculous... sorry.

Everyone knows the successful tank jobs. Saying one variable or another isn't exactly the same so it invalidates the example is something I am not going to do. There are no two builds or rebuilds that are exactly alike. All the successful tanks hinge on delivering an all star talent to the tanker. All teams that tank can have that happen.

 

[HermanG]

Yes I should do a strawman homework report because you said something completely wrong. no. sorry.

The Hinkie guarantee is what I am completely opposed to here. If you paid attention to him you'd know how ridiculous that is. If you don't want to tank that's fine. Plenty of arguments against it. Stating that the man who took it further than any other person did and did so unapologetically wouldn't do it because a couple variables in the equation changed is ridiculous... sorry.

Everyone knows the successful tank jobs. Saying one variable or another isn't exactly the same so it invalidates the example is something I am not going to do. There are no two builds or rebuilds that are exactly alike. All the successful tanks hinge on delivering an all star talent to the tanker. All teams that tank can have that happen.

I didnt mean he wouldnt tank. I said he wouldnt min/max about it for the 14% odds at #1. Maybe that was unclear.

Also I didnt ask for a completely equal example. Just any one that is somewhat achievable.

 

[HermanG]

Yes I should do a strawman homework report because you said something completely wrong. no. sorry.

The Hinkie guarantee is what I am completely opposed to here. If you paid attention to him you'd know how ridiculous that is. If you don't want to tank that's fine. Plenty of arguments against it. Stating that the man who took it further than any other person did and did so unapologetically wouldn't do it because a couple variables in the equation changed is ridiculous... sorry.

Everyone knows the successful tank jobs. Saying one variable or another isn't exactly the same so it invalidates the example is something I am not going to do. There are no two builds or rebuilds that are exactly alike. All the successful tanks hinge on delivering an all star talent to the tanker. All teams that tank can have that happen.

Btw Isnt it giving you pause that you'd have to do homework on this? I dont think you are one of the top advocates here, I just know you want to participate in these debates.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I didnt mean he wouldnt tank. I said he wouldnt min/max about it for the 14% odds at #1. Maybe that was unclear.

Also I didnt ask for a completely equal example. Just any one that is somewhat achievable.

He still would though. Go read about him. There would have been non utility to the extra wins. It wasn’t about number 1. It was about as high as possible.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Btw Isnt it giving you pause that you'd have to do homework on this? I dont think you are one of the top advocates here, I just know you want to participate in these debates.

The homework isn’t finding the examples. The homework is this long drawn out convo where you or any anti tanker goes “yeah but”. It’s exhausting. Tanking works. It’s not foolproof… nothing is.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I think what I will do instead is I will challenge all of you at the same time. You can go first, and @Handlogten's Heros and @stitches can help you all they want.

Dont chicken out.

Tell us how Jazz can implement a tank that is successful, by mirroring ANY historical tanking job as an example. Only rule is that our starting position and situation has to be better or equal to that teams.

Huh? You said Hinkie wouldn’t tank with negative (not null) evidence to support that.

 

[HermanG]

Huh? You said Hinkie wouldn’t tank with negative (not null) evidence to support that.

I didnt say he wouldnt tank. Thats just a silly way to misread my post since multiple teams tank each year including us two years in a row. Why wouldnt the tankiest GM ever do it?

I said he wouldnt do what he did, which is create a non-NBA level team to ensure best odds every year. The min/maxing was the point.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I didnt say he wouldnt tank. Thats just a silly way to misread my post since multiple teams tank each year including us two years in a row. Why wouldnt the tankiest GM ever do it?

I said he wouldnt do what he did, which is create a non-NBA level team to ensure best odds every year. The min/maxing was the point.

Zero people are saying we should create a g league team to make sure we are the worst. Hinkie still would have done what he did with current odds. Again go read about the guy.

 

[fishonjazz]

I didnt mean he wouldnt tank. I said he wouldnt min/max about it for the 14% odds at #1. Maybe that was unclear.

Also I didnt ask for a completely equal example. Just any one that is somewhat achievable.

Lauri gets injured. Jazz suck *** and get a top pick and draft a franchise player and top 10 player in NBA history. Lauri is healthy the following year. Jazz win multiple championships. The spurs model.

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[Handlogten's Heros]

Tanking, Rebuilding, and just being bad are all a little synonymous for me. The key is drafting high. We need to draft really high… that is the most reliable way for us to get all star talent. We should still try to do the other things to get all star talent but our own picks are the ones that are likely the highest picks. Those are critical. Keep Lauri… make sure you get a high pick or maximize the chances of getting a high pick this year. That’s what I’d do. The half assed route is fine for a bit but nothing meaningful has shaken loose… time to get serious.