Does Lauri Get Traded?

[Saint Cy of JFC]

The price isn't set at some market amount though. The real measure here is do the Warriors like Podz and their picks more than Lauri?

I feel like I'm arguing with a sophomore economics major.

 

[KqWIN]

The Jazz arent the buyer. They are the seller.

If Podz was in the deal, he would have to be substituted with something. Unless you're saying their literally is not enough value possible without Podz in the deal, that's another conversation.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

The measure is do the Warriors actually think they can win another ring with Lauri/Steph/Draymond and whatever they can cobble together after acquiring Markkanen and if they can stomach what it means if it goes wrong.

 

[KqWIN]

The price isn't set at some market amount though. The real measure here is do the Warriors like Podz and their picks more than Lauri?

If you think there cannot be enough value to the Jazz without Podz (which is what I think your stance is) that's one thing. It makes it difficult for another reason. But if not, putting Podz in the deal means subtracting something else. If Podz is worth more to the Warriors than the Jazz, the amount taken out of the deal will be too much for the Jazz to accept.

 

[fishonjazz]

The Warriors and Jazz are perfect opposites on this point too, but if they get Lauri and keep Kuminga, that puts them in absolute salary hell in a year. Even more value to the draft capital.

I don’t think the Warriors are stupid enough to do what it takes to do a deal with Danny at this juncture.

This. This thread is pretty pointless imo. Jazz won't trade Lauri this summer.

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[Handlogten's Heros]

If you think there cannot be enough value to the Jazz without Podz (which is what I think your stance is) that's one thing. It makes it difficult for another reason. But if not, putting Podz in the deal means subtracting something else. If Podz is worth more to the Warriors than the Jazz, the amount taken out of the deal will be too much for the Jazz to accept.

Who says something has to be subtracted. Who says there is even a pile of stuff that is agreed upon to subtract from. We have the player. We want him to stay. He wants to stay. Here is our price...

 

[fishonjazz]

The Jazz arent the buyer. They are the seller.

Ya that was a strange post.
Made it seem like podz is the prize in the trade.

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[Handlogten's Heros]

You can also apply the same "he means more to them than us" with Lauri. He means a lot to us... if he can help GS compete for one more title as Steph rides into the sunset he may mean more to them.

 

[fishonjazz]

If you think there cannot be enough value to the Jazz without Podz (which is what I think your stance is) that's one thing. It makes it difficult for another reason. But if not, putting Podz in the deal means subtracting something else. If Podz is worth more to the Warriors than the Jazz, the amount taken out of the deal will be too much for the Jazz to accept.

Pretty simple. Jazz say podz and all the picks. That's it.
Warriors cant be like "how about take podz out and put this other stuff in his place?"

Nope. Pay the asking price or dont.

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[Elizah Huge]

Death, taxes, and KqWIN arguing some weird ****.

 

[KqWIN]

Who says something has to be subtracted. Who says there is even a pile of stuff that is agreed upon to subtract from. We have the player. We want him to stay. He wants to stay. Here is our price...

Like I said, if your stance is that there can be no substitutions whatsoever, it's difficult for different reasons. We already talked about those difficult, mainly being that it's a **** ton of stuff, so no need to rehash that. People seem to be really upset by the act of discussing a topic on a discussion forum. So I will refrain. I do think you could potentially get that value elsewhere with Kuminga (perhaps in a 3 teamer if we don't like him), but don't want to open up a discussion that will make people mad because we discuss it.

If the inclusion of Podz means substitution, then can you agree that it makes things very difficult sense? I mean, at a base level this is what every deal is. The Warriors won't trade for Lauri if they don't want him more than us. Every asset in the deal is going to be evaluated this way. There are some assets that mean more to UTA than GSW, those are the pieces that make most sense in the deal.

You can also apply the same "he means more to them than us" with Lauri. He means a lot to us... if he can help GS compete for one more title as Steph rides into the sunset he may mean more to them.

This is precisely my point. If Lauri means more to us, then I would also say no deal with GSW makes sense. Whether that is true or not, that is a much larger consideration and we'll find out with time. If there is a trade, I can definitely say that Warriors did not want him more than us and the opposite is true if no deal is made. It's always going to be troubling when trying to trade for a player who is valued more by his current team than you. You can be over the moon for a player, but if it's less than his current team, probably not gonna happen.

 

[MTS]

I don't know why this has to be explained, but the decision on whether or not to trade is based largely on "Do we want what they're offering more than what we're giving up", not "Is this individual part of the whole trade package more valuable to us or to them"