Donald Fires FBI Director who's investigating Russian Election Hacking

[Stoked]

First the President shocked everyone with his quick debt limit deal with the Ds. Now there are reports of a DACA and border security deal, excluding the wall, between the President and Ds (contradicting reports).

Could we be seeing a new tactic by the President? Interesting.

 

[LogGrad98]

those companies pay the taxes, and they pass it on to the customer!

and i don't think government should steel money for a fire department. govenrment run fire departments should not exist

so if i order everything from amazon. i pay my fair share because amazon pays the taxes. if you use your car daily and lets say it was pre-electric and hybrid cars. you would pay your fair share for example on a gasoline tax!


so yes when i use those products their is already a tax built in

Actually largely those taxes are not built in. That is the point of the huge cases in France and Germany regarding tax evasion by Google and other large service providers. This is far harder to quantify than that. And if the cost of the roads were really added directly into the cost of consumer goods the prices would be much higher since this tax would need to be higher since purchasing is a variable thing. Funding all of this stuff through, in essence, sales tax also disproportionately affects the lower income groups. I think it could be done but it would take a severe overhaul of the entire tax structure. Realistically it just isn't feasible. Another method would be to tax only corporations and have zero taxes on individuals. The problem with this is then the corporations would pass it down in price hikes across the board, which then again disproportionately affects lower income groups, and is much harder to regulate at all since you better believe the price increase is NOT a 1 for 1. An extra $1 raise in taxes will be greater than a $1 raise in prices, so overall you would likely end up spending more than if you simply paid taxes directly where there can be some level of accountability. It is a nice thought but very unrealistic and again misses the overall point and complexity of the problem.

 

[LogGrad98]

First the President shocked everyone with his quick debt limit deal with the Ds. Now there are reports of a DACA and border security deal, excluding the wall, between the President and Ds (contradicting reports).

Could we be seeing a new tactic by the President? Interesting.

It pretty much fits his normal tactic, create chaos. This is the yin to his wacko yang.

 

[Stoked]

It pretty much fits his normal tactic, create chaos. This is the yin to his wacko yang.

Well yes but he is creating it a new way. Interesting. If he keeps doing this how long before Ds love him and Rs hate him?

 

[LogGrad98]

Well yes but he is creating it a new way. Interesting. If he keeps doing this how long before Ds love him and Rs hate him?

It's always whichever way the wind blows for them. And Trump blows a lot of wind.

 

[DutchJazzer]

Actually largely those taxes are not built in. That is the point of the huge cases in France and Germany regarding tax evasion by Google and other large service providers. This is far harder to quantify than that. And if the cost of the roads were really added directly into the cost of consumer goods the prices would be much higher since this tax would need to be higher since purchasing is a variable thing. Funding all of this stuff through, in essence, sales tax also disproportionately affects the lower income groups. I think it could be done but it would take a severe overhaul of the entire tax structure. Realistically it just isn't feasible. Another method would be to tax only corporations and have zero taxes on individuals. The problem with this is then the corporations would pass it down in price hikes across the board, which then again disproportionately affects lower income groups, and is much harder to regulate at all since you better believe the price increase is NOT a 1 for 1. An extra $1 raise in taxes will be greater than a $1 raise in prices, so overall you would likely end up spending more than if you simply paid taxes directly where there can be some level of accountability. It is a nice thought but very unrealistic and again misses the overall point and complexity of the problem.

make it simple. before their where electric cars. it was easy!
on every single liter of gasoline you pay 10 cents on of tax for example. do you have a big pickup truck that is more taxing to the road than a lil libtard vw wagon. so their is a fair share.

let's say maintaining roads cost 10.000.000 dollars. and per year 100.000.000liter of gaosline sold it is easy get it .1 dollar tax on each liter.

for now their with new electric cars it is a bit different. but we can get anybody to pay their fair share of road.


saying something is unrealistic is not an argument. because when i say that about socialism after it fails again and again and again, people always say that was not real socialism.

socialism in itself is unrealistic long-term and always collapses. so lets try a different unrealistic solution

 

[DutchJazzer]

also with road taxes, you can actually do the miles actually used. install some sort of tracking box. their are privacy concerns with that. but if government wasnts so big and powerful those concerns might be lower

 

[franklin]

I always wonder how much the real total of all the taxes combined that I pay is. I'm easily over $15,000, not counting SS or the other insurance-based taxes like unemployment, but I'm not sure if I'm over $25,000 or not.

I think people seriously underestimate how much tax we actually pay. I bet someone like Log who's in a higher bracket is paying upwards of $35k or more.

 

[LogGrad98]

I always wonder how much the real total of all the taxes combined that I pay is. I'm easily over $15,000, not counting SS or the other insurance-based taxes like unemployment, but I'm not sure if I'm over $25,000 or not.

I think people seriously underestimate how much tax we actually pay. I bet someone like Log who's in a higher bracket is paying upwards of $35k or more.

I imagine there is really no way to every know exactly, and that is how the politicians want it, as it would drive some level of accountability if there were any level of transparency. As it is we talk about all this in huge numbers that no regular person can really fathom. Can you picture $1 trillion? I can't. And in the end those numbers become meaningless noise realistically. $25,000 is just a drop in the bucket compared to $1,000,000,000,000,000.

 

[franklin]

I imagine there is really no way to every know exactly, and that is how the politicians want it, as it would drive some level of accountability if there were any level of transparency. As it is we talk about all this in huge numbers that no regular person can really fathom. Can you picture $1 trillion? I can't. And in the end those numbers become meaningless noise realistically. $25,000 is just a drop in the bucket compared to $1,000,000,000,000,000.

Yeah there's no way to calculate but it'd still be cool to know so I could tell the illegals at my kid's elementary how much I'm paying for them to be here (j/k of course).

 

[babe]

Yeah there's no way to calculate but it'd still be cool to know so I could tell the illegals at my kid's elementary how much I'm paying for them to be here (j/k of course).

The way "markets" work, the price you pay for stuff will on average include all the expenses incurred by producers. Well, you can get stuff on bargain from companies going out of business or going broke, but you will end up paying more to the cartels, or other successful competitors who stay in business.

you the consumer pay for all the business lobbying, all the business political contributions, and all the business taxes, in addition to the stuff on your own paystub. You pay for all the corruption, all the payola, all the crooked politicians, all the bureaucracy, all the "deep state" players and all the military..... and if the gov prints more fiat currency, you pay for it in the marketplace in inflationary terms.

however, as Americans, we benefit from the exchange rates that we keep favorable to our general national interests, which basically create the adverse or impoverished conditions abroad because of depressed wages, commodity prices and economics we impose on lesser nations....

If not for our bad deeds on those accounts, people would not see it as advantageous or necessary to come here to work, say for hotel/motel chains/casiono/resorts, agricultural producers or packing plants..... and you would have a more equitable place at the bargaining table when offering your services to employers....

All the real gains accrue to the cartelists/elitist and fascists who sit atop our economic food chain.... and we keep voting for their stooges and argue with one another about which politicians are the "good" ones.

the only "good" politicians are the ones that drive the cartelists nuts, and do stuff that makes our corporate media furious.....

well, Trump may not really be that guy. He will find a way to make a deal with the other Bigs that takes a cut for himself.

 

[colton]

I imagine there is really no way to every know exactly, and that is how the politicians want it, as it would drive some level of accountability if there were any level of transparency. As it is we talk about all this in huge numbers that no regular person can really fathom. Can you picture $1 trillion? I can't. And in the end those numbers become meaningless noise realistically. $25,000 is just a drop in the bucket compared to $1,000,000,000,000,000.

Fwiw that's 1000x larger than $1 trillion. In US usage at least, not sure about Europe and too lazy to Google right now.