Donald Fires FBI Director who's investigating Russian Election Hacking

[Red]

Turn off MSNBC. It's rotting your brain. It's amazing that people can understand that if they eat crap food 24/7 the results won't be good, but then they feed their brain poison and believe they are accomplishing something positive.

Just so you know, I never had any intention to let this slip. So, if you would, listen good. You're like my fallen right wing brother, and I feel for you, but I don't have to take that. I could just say you're ingesting far too much of Hannity inspired madness, and flip it on its head, but I'll give you a more deliberate reply then you deserve after that piece of your mind...

Yeah, a lot of Americans agree with what Trump is doing. Flipping off the Western alliance, stick it to anyone and everyone, forgive an American leader for cozying up to the most brutal dictators on Earth. Yep, they approve. That's why they're not making decisions for the future of our nation. Unfortunetly, one of their ilk is. Meantime, those with eyes to see can continue to sound off about how they feel about it all. That's to be expected, and more expected then expecting those appalled by the results of Nov. 2016, to just say, "eh, 8 years at the most, no biggie" or even the "required" "OK, the people have spoken". That was never destined to happen after this election.

Even without the Mueller investigation, turmoil and tumult would have been our political/social fate at this time. Although maybe it's like the butterfly effect of chaos theory. There would be a different set of subjects for the daily tweetstorms of the national reality tv series, Presidential edition. But, really, I expect "left wing haters" to be the label Trump supporters apply to Trump resisters. It's to be expected. But from my personal experience, this isn't retrograde, it's patriotism. I was watching the AHC American Revolution series the other night. And it was so interesting watching loyalists take it to rebels in the South. I forget sometimes how divided we were then.

Well, today is similar. I'm a patriot. Defending the values of my nation against the destruction of those values both at home and abroad. I didn't ask for this. I'm far from alone. This is the way it has to be. I just look at my Trump supporting fellow citizens as brainwashed. And I think of them: how do you not see your President is hitching your national identity to your lesser angels, and when will you open your eyes and wake up? I wish I knew. It's gonna be a long time, and it's not going to be easy. Were dividing up on ultra-polarized sides. Might as well at least admit that neither side is going to understand, like, or accommodate each other at the moment. But when somebody tells me my mind is rotting, based on what they think is hatred, but is actually a patriot sounding off, we only live once, and nobody should sleepwalk through that portion of history that is their's to live, well, I see just how wide the gap really is. I see people with blinders on their eyes, sleepwalking through something that's as clear as day, yet invisible to them.

I'm on the right side of history, though it may be generations before the lesser angels are put to rest. This just is not the time when people say "OK, the people have spoken". Not meant to be. Nothing we can do about it. This is the reality of our day and age, our history to live. Was never going to go any other way...

 

[babe]

Interesting. Here's the chart for those who are too lazy to click:

I have to say that that matches my own experience pretty well. And I'm fairly happy to see that all of the sources I rely on for daily factual news fall directly in the green box (AP, Reuters, NPR, Washington Post, The Hill, and New York Times).

Not especially convincing that an individual who can create a Cartesian sort of map with two lines of values can fit a lot of stuff on it somewhere.

What this is, is it's a map of is current university cultural bias. Not too surprising you are dead center with that bias.

The Jacobin is, factually, an ideological advocate of elementary arbitrary rule of the masses by whoever happens to be the top intellectual dog in the fight. proto-Marxist. The Jacobins historically were the reign of terror in the French Revolution.

Our mainstream media today, as well as our university educational culture, is a reformed socialism distinct from Marxism only in that it has become more genteel, more sophisticated, and speaks a reformed rhethoric that appears benign. Fabian socialism, I think is the dominating variety.... which has historically sought change through gradualism, and quite successfully. The Democratic Party has gone off the track, and today would have little beef with the Bolsheviks of 1917, really.

Sure Karl Marx was a few generations ago. Times have changed. Chinese Communist Party folks today have reverted in some respects to Confucious' precepts, while using the Party organization as the central structure for running the country.

I strongly disagree with Mark Levin and anyone else who considers Putin as bad as Obama, let alone Hillary. Like the Chinese, the Russian "communist party" today doesn't believe in Marx any more than our Democrats believe in our Constitution. I wouldn't believe Putin is directly responsible for anyone being "done in". Obama I'm not sure about. Hillary I have no doubt about.

While drawing Cartesian value systems is perhaps necessary for simplistic generalists, facts generally don't fit anywhere on any map. And anyone call any fact "good" or "bad". When we choose to embrace a value system, we often do so for a few common reasons. Comfort.....belonging with our "peers". Information..... setting our thinking in line with what we accept as "fact". Pragmatism..... justifying our choice of actions...... to avoid a psychological discomfort called "conscience". Or, maybe.... Simplification. Making sense of life.

Putin is, like Xi and Un, a pretty dictatorial character. He has no stable Constitutional system of checks and balances to limit his range of interests, or his effectiveness of administration.

We are blessed to have a government that was founded on a Constitution that tried to limit arbitrary power, but of course it is of little virtue unless we have moral leaders and officers who will follow it. Leaders who have risen to power that rivals the dictatorial cases I mention above in defiance of what the law requires are, in my thinking, worse than leaders who seem to be doing some good even without such a system.

I think Un is hopeful because he's been here, is friends with Dennis Rodman, and realizes there is a better way. I think his atrocities may be because of "necessity" under a Marxist/corrupt system. A systemic transformation towards an open society could result in NK people not wanting to do him in anymore, and he might be able to afford to stop his own bloody reign of terror. The only hope is that he will calculate that he will survive trying to actually do some good for his country and his people. Not much basis for hope, but it's all I've got.

I think Trump survives the assault because he actually has better sense than we've had in leadership in my lifetime. He is no saint, but he does not own the media, and he knows he does not own the loyalty of Americans unless he delivers some results. He is not an "Insider" with the old guard, but he is trying to make deals to get along with them while trying to keep his base if he can. Overall, he is very limited in what he can do or try to do, almost as limited as our Constitutional designers intended..... well, except he doesn't know there really is a Constitution. The world in his eyes is reduced to financial issues..... business, deals. He just knows he needs to make other people happy to get the deal... I hope I'm wrong, in the right way....

And that is good.

 

[babe]

*Country's

unless he's actually talking about both Russia and the U.S., in which case it would be *countries'

Dude has a real good brain /sarcasm

Dangerous for anyone, even me, to seriously believe our own brains..... One of the reasons I think it's dangerous to have a really really powerful government without effective limits the people can use to control it

But thanks for the link. I rarely look at twitter. I did here. I found some stuff scrolling down that actually changed my opinion of Jason Chaffetz. I'd given up on him, and Trey Gouty, for dropping the ball on the Benghazi investigation. I thought maybe some thugs got him and broke his foot and he cried "uncle" to get them to let him go...... But here he is, pretty much everything he ever was.... his own man.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Another nothingburger, right?

Version 1: we had zero contact with the Russians
Version 101: we had lots of contact with Russians. But they were all FBI sting operations. Deep State! But collusion isn’t a crime. And the president can pardon himself of any crime. MAGA

MIAMI — One day in late May 2016, Roger Stone — the political dark sorcerer and longtime confidant of Donald Trump — slipped into his Jaguar and headed out to meet a man with a Make America Great Again hat and a viscous Russian accent.

The man, who called himself Henry Greenberg, offered damaging information about Hillary Clinton, Trump’s presumptive Democratic opponent in the upcoming presidential election, according to Stone who spoke about the previously unreported incident in interviews with The Washington Post. Greenberg, who did not reveal the information he claimed to possess, wanted Trump to pay $2 million for the political dirt, Stone said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...8123c8-6fd0-11e8-bd50-b80389a4e569_story.html

 

[Stoked]

lmfao, what a massive circle jerk.

 

[Zombie]

lmfao, what a massive circle jerk.

?

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Just so you know, I never had any intention to let this slip. So, if you would, listen good. You're like my fallen right wing brother, and I feel for you, but I don't have to take that. I could just say you're ingesting far too much of Hannity inspired madness, and flip it on its head, but I'll give you a more deliberate reply then you deserve after that piece of your mind...

Yeah, a lot of Americans agree with what Trump is doing. Flipping off the Western alliance, stick it to anyone and everyone, forgive an American leader for cozying up to the most brutal dictators on Earth. Yep, they approve. That's why they're not making decisions for the future of our nation. Unfortunetly, one of their ilk is. Meantime, those with eyes to see can continue to sound off about how they feel about it all. That's to be expected, and more expected then expecting those appalled by the results of Nov. 2016, to just say, "eh, 8 years at the most, no biggie" or even the "required" "OK, the people have spoken". That was never destined to happen after this election.

Even without the Mueller investigation, turmoil and tumult would have been our political/social fate at this time. Although maybe it's like the butterfly effect of chaos theory. There would be a different set of subjects for the daily tweetstorms of the national reality tv series, Presidential edition. But, really, I expect "left wing haters" to be the label Trump supporters apply to Trump resisters. It's to be expected. But from my personal experience, this isn't retrograde, it's patriotism. I was watching the AHC American Revolution series the other night. And it was so interesting watching loyalists take it to rebels in the South. I forget sometimes how divided we were then.

Well, today is similar. I'm a patriot. Defending the values of my nation against the destruction of those values both at home and abroad. I didn't ask for this. I'm far from alone. This is the way it has to be. I just look at my Trump supporting fellow citizens as brainwashed. And I think of them: how do you not see your President is hitching your national identity to your lesser angels, and when will you open your eyes and wake up? I wish I knew. It's gonna be a long time, and it's not going to be easy. Were dividing up on ultra-polarized sides. Might as well at least admit that neither side is going to understand, like, or accommodate each other at the moment. But when somebody tells me my mind is rotting, based on what they think is hatred, but is actually a patriot sounding off, we only live once, and nobody should sleepwalk through that portion of history that is their's to live, well, I see just how wide the gap really is. I see people with blinders on their eyes, sleepwalking through something that's as clear as day, yet invisible to them.

I'm on the right side of history, though it may be generations before the lesser angels are put to rest. This just is not the time when people say "OK, the people have spoken". Not meant to be. Nothing we can do about it. This is the reality of our day and age, our history to live. Was never going to go any other way...

God bless you. I understand that you feel certain that you are fighting the right fight. Despite what you apparently think, I don't watch Hanity. I do flip back and forth between news channels on Sirus, which I also did during the Obama administration. The talk on the left seems crazy toxic to me these days. It was bad on the right during Obama so I guess it is to be expected when the other party is governing, but it was nowhere near as bad as it is now.

Trump is an enigma. His many faults are not invisible to me. Unlike some others, I see strengths as well. Some people on this site don't believe me, but I am not and never have been a Trump supporter. I am in favor of many of his policies, though, and it drives me crazy when the people who accuse him of making up facts (which he does) make up all sorts of facts to attack him with. From my perspective the left blows everything he says way, way, way out of proportion to the negative side of the equation. Today they are accusing him of cozying up to dictators. A couple of months ago they were freaking out because he was talking in such a threatening way to the same dictator. But somehow he ended up sitting across the table from that dictator and signing an agreement which, no matter how you parse it (unless you are willing to use left-wing media logic), is a necessary step to peace. And as the process moves forward, no matter how things play out, the recent past has proven to me that no matter what happens, the left is going to freak out and claim that Trump is taking exactly the wrong course. He could rescue every puppy at the pound and they'd run a story on the atrocities he must be intending to commit against puppies.

To listen to the mainstream media these days you would not know that ISIS appears to be critically weakened, that the US economy is running extremely well, that the tax cuts have positively impacted most people, that unemployment rates (especially for minorities) are extremely low, etc. There is a ton of positive going on, yet you and many others who listen to the media on the left see nothing but disaster. There are several posters on this site who have said that the Trump administration is on the verge of collapse, many different times. And still, somehow, it keeps moving along. On Friday someone said the end was here... and yet it's Monday and it still keeps moving along. I guess there's no reason to waste any more pixels talking about it. I'm just happy that Hillary isn't president. I'm still amazed at the flawed candidates that both parties put forth.

 

[One Brow]

To listen to the mainstream media these days you would not know that ISIS appears to be critically weakened, that the US economy is running extremely well, that the tax cuts have positively impacted most people, that unemployment rates (especially for minorities) are extremely low, etc.

I hear about 3 of those on NPR (the impact of tax cuts for most people has been minimal). What you don't hear on right-wing radio is that, except for the tax cuts, all of those were well underway in 2016.

I'm still amazed at the flawed candidates that both parties put forth.

Agreed.

 

[Gameface]

So how will we feel if Mueller provides pretty rock solid evidence that the President obstructed justice, that his campaign had illegal contact with Russian agents, and various other crimes that are linked directly to Trump yet his supporters don't care and congress and the senate don't do anything about it?

I think that's the most likely scenario at this point. I am pretty confident obstruction, by the President himself, happened. Will anybody who currently supports the President care?

 

[One Brow]

So how will we feel if Mueller provides pretty rock solid evidence that the President obstructed justice, that his campaign had illegal contact with Russian agents, and various other crimes that are linked directly to Trump yet his supporters don't care and congress and the senate don't do anything about it?

I think that's the most likely scenario at this point. I am pretty confident obstruction, by the President himself, happened. Will anybody who currently supports the President care?

I don't think Trump was involved directly. Who would trust him with that knowledge; it would be all over the evening news in a week. Even if he was involved, his supporters won't care.

 

[Gameface]

I don't think Trump was involved directly. Who would trust him with that knowledge; it would be all over the evening news in a week. Even if he was involved, his supporters won't care.

I think it's pretty clear Trump was directly involved in obstruction of justice.

That's the question, really. Even if the obstruction is shown to be egregious and 100% intentional, will anyone who currently supports him care? Let's say he at some point learned his campaign was in illegal contact with the Russians and he obstructed justice to prevent that from coming out?

Is obstruction of justice okay as long as it's your guy doing it?

 

[One Brow]

Is obstruction of justice okay as long as it's your guy doing it?

Often, the bar to belief is higher if it's your guy. For example, Hannity/Jones/etc. will find 50 way to rip any Mueller accusation apart, and much/most of Trump's base will use their justification to believe there was no obstruction.