By whom... Trump himself, or any of his aides? Family members?
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Joe Bagadonuts
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If the evidence rises to the level that they would have prosecuted Hillary for it, I want them to prosecute Trump for it.
That doesn't answer my question. Would collusion by an aide or a family member cause it to rise to a something burger for you?
So, it's only a something-burger if there is a prosecution for it?
Okay, trolling. Got it.
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Nixon would agree with you.
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Well I don't agree with me. This place we are now, where Trump apologists seem to realize Trump obstructed justice have done the necessary mental gymnastics to make that okay. They are 100% fine with the fact that our President obstructed justice.
Joe bagoftaunts called me out for my claim that I've voted for more GOP Presidential candidates than Dems when I expressed enthusiasm for the possibility there might be a "blue wave" this mid-term. It has nothing to do with my own political leanings and everything to do with a desire to see Trump held accountable. Trump is, more than anything else (by a lot), a ****ing liar. He has no honor, no dignity, no sense of duty to truth or reason. He is absolutely despicable. Every day it is one more misrepresentation, one more reversal without acknowledgement, one more lie that there is no way he could possibly believe.
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There’s admittedly a grey area too among experts. What qualifies as obstruction of justice for the president? And I agree certainly the republicans controlled congress as it stands right now woust vote to impeach. He could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and republicans would kiss his butt.
Joe Bagadonuts
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If Trump knew about it I would consider it a crime by Trump. If some supporter did something he was unaware of then I don't see how you could blame him for it.
My real answer is that what I see so far is a nothing burger. The moment Hillary lost to Trump the left had to find a reason that it happened, and they decided the explanation must be collusion. They have gone all in on this opinion, despite what seems so far to be a severe shortage of evidence. Yeah, I know that someone might have met with a Russian here or there. It happened in both campaigns. Nothing that I've seen freaks me out about what Trump did in regard to the Russians. If he did the sorts of things his detractors are so sure he must have done then I would be very concerned. So far, though, it's speculation, overreaction to speculation, and lunacy. I have believed from the very beginning that the Trump haters hurt their cause by going crazy about the things they think he might do, or believe he has probably done, rather than focusing on the things they actually know that he did. I'm certain that their unhinged hate has increased the amount of support he gets from his base.
Red
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The possibility that Russia was helping the Trump campaign emerged as a subject of discussion among the American electorate well before Trump won the 2016 election, and at a time when most people still assumed Clinton would be the 45th president. And the possibility that the Trump campaign might have been conspiring, or colluding with the Russians in those efforts, had become a focus of our intelligence community prior to the November election. When it was largely assumed Clinton would win, the possibility that Russia was helping Trump had already emerged as a discussion on Jazzfanz:
Ihttps://jazzfanz.com/threads/is-russia-helping-trump.52108/
I don't see the fact that Democrats believed Russia and the Trump campaign colluded as simply a Democrat excuse when the question of possible collusion had been there long before the election. Further, the fact that Trump told Lester Holt "the Russia thing" was on his mind when he fired Comey, and that Trump then told 2 top Russian officials in the Oval Office that he had rid himself of "the Russia thing" naturally raised questions regarding what Trump might have been hiding, and led directly to a Special Council investigation into the 2016 election. That investigation was not created by Democrats latching onto an excuse that they lost the election due to collusion. Trump himself and his actions and statements after the election led to investigating the question of colluding. Trump largely had only himself to blame. With our intelligence community concluding Russia interfered with the 2016 election in Trump's favor, and Trump slamming the intelligence community at the same time, and openly doubting their conclusions, it was only natural, not Democratic excuse-making, that raised suspicions.
Now, Bloomberg is citing an unnamed source that Mueller wants to decide on the obstruction of justice aspect of his probe as soon as possible, and at that point wrap up the collusion aspect by the Fall of 2018.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...zero-in-on-trump-russia-collusion-allegations
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/06/report-mueller-collusion-results-by-fall.html
One unnamed source is not something to hang one's hat on, and even if the Bloomberg report is accurate, I would not expect a report on the collusion aspect to be released close to the mid term election.
Ihttps://jazzfanz.com/threads/is-russia-helping-trump.52108/
I don't see the fact that Democrats believed Russia and the Trump campaign colluded as simply a Democrat excuse when the question of possible collusion had been there long before the election. Further, the fact that Trump told Lester Holt "the Russia thing" was on his mind when he fired Comey, and that Trump then told 2 top Russian officials in the Oval Office that he had rid himself of "the Russia thing" naturally raised questions regarding what Trump might have been hiding, and led directly to a Special Council investigation into the 2016 election. That investigation was not created by Democrats latching onto an excuse that they lost the election due to collusion. Trump himself and his actions and statements after the election led to investigating the question of colluding. Trump largely had only himself to blame. With our intelligence community concluding Russia interfered with the 2016 election in Trump's favor, and Trump slamming the intelligence community at the same time, and openly doubting their conclusions, it was only natural, not Democratic excuse-making, that raised suspicions.
Now, Bloomberg is citing an unnamed source that Mueller wants to decide on the obstruction of justice aspect of his probe as soon as possible, and at that point wrap up the collusion aspect by the Fall of 2018.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...zero-in-on-trump-russia-collusion-allegations
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/06/report-mueller-collusion-results-by-fall.html
One unnamed source is not something to hang one's hat on, and even if the Bloomberg report is accurate, I would not expect a report on the collusion aspect to be released close to the mid term election.
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Actually there were people suspecting trump and his people of collusion before Hillary lost to trump.