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Red said:

What are the charges?​

The charges are the result of a more than two-year investigation by the Fulton County district attorney’s office, and come after a Georgia special grand jury report on Trump’s interference in the 2020 election that recommended prosecutors seek charges based on interviews with 75 witnesses. They are as follows:

  • Violation of Georgia’s Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act
  • Solicitation of violation of oath by public officer (three counts)
  • Conspiracy to commit impersonating a public officer
  • Conspiracy to commit forgery in the first degree (two counts)
  • Conspiracy to commit false statements and writings (two counts)
  • Conspiracy to commit filing false documents
  • Filing false documents
  • False statements and writings (two counts)
To convict Trump, Georgia prosecutors would have to prove the existence of a racketeering “enterprise” and a pattern of racketeering based on at least two “qualifying” crimes. Racketeering is a form of organized criminal activity that involves operating illegal schemes (such as extortion or trying to overturn an election), often in a systematic and coordinated manner, by using intimidation, coercion, and manipulation. It’s a serious charge of which members of groups ranging from the Mafia to FIFA have been convicted.

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Trump’s Georgia indictment, briefly explained

It’s the fourth time that Trump has been indicted.
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Stop the steal!
 
Red said:
To convict Trump, Georgia prosecutors would have to prove the existence of a racketeering “enterprise”...
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This, and the aftermath, will be really interesting. I'm glad I'm not a lawyer right about now.

Trump's supposed co-conspirators are his attorneys, and Georgia has charged them. If you've ever been sued or been involved with the legal system then you know lawyers are allowed to get away with a lot. They can defame you in court. They are allowed to float crackpot theories in an effort to sew a seed of doubt. This new way that Georgia is going about this indictment is akin to a criminal defense lawyer advising a plea of not guilty to his client, to then have the state charge the lawyer as party to the crime on account of the legal advice he gave to the criminal.

In the short term it will make it very hard for Trump to get lawyers. In the longer term it should make lawyers on the other side very nervous because in politics turnabout is considered fair play. If Trump's lawyers are being prosecuted today, it could very easily lead to lawyers on the other side being prosecuted tomorrow. It is not a surprise at all to me that in the wake of the indictment of Trump's lawyers, this news broke an hour ago:

 
www.yahoo.com

Jon Meacham Gets Blunt About Trump’s 4th Indictment: ‘This Was a Coup D’Etat’ (Video)

"I use this word very, very advisably, I’m not just popping off here," the presidential historian says on "Morning Joe" The post Jon Meacham Gets Blunt About Trump’s 4th Indictment: ‘This Was a Coup D’Etat’ (Video) appeared first on TheWrap.
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“You have this whole cast of characters who’ve been indicted now in Fulton County who were attempting – and I use this word very, very advisably, I’m not just popping off here – this was a coup d’etat. This was an attempt to seize power that was not legitimately granted by the electoral processes of the Constitution of the United States. Full stop. That’s what it was.”

“The test for all of us is are we up to obeying the rule of law, even when it goes a way we may not like? It’s a fundamental question,” he said, before pondering the surprising number of Trump followers who are refusing to accept the law.

“A surprisingly large chunk of the country – at least, surprising to me – will follow the now four-times indicted former president to the edge of a cliff and possibly over that cliff. The question is, do enough of those folks believe in the rule of law? Do they believe in the evidence of their own eyes, and let’s just say their own ears because he’s recorded?”
 
Al-O-Meter said:
This, and the aftermath, will be really interesting. I'm glad I'm not a lawyer right about now.

Trump's supposed co-conspirators are his attorneys, and Georgia has charged them. If you've ever been sued or been involved with the legal system then you know lawyers are allowed to get away with a lot. They can defame you in court. They are allowed to float crackpot theories in an effort to sew a seed of doubt. This new way that Georgia is going about this indictment is akin to a criminal defense lawyer advising a plea of not guilty to his client, to then have the state charge the lawyer as party to the crime on account of the legal advice he gave to the criminal.
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To my understanding, lawyers are not allowed to help their client break the law. They are not allowed to lie to the court/judge/jury. There is nothing in these charges that amounts to "legal advice" given.
 
Al-O-Meter said:
This, and the aftermath, will be really interesting. I'm glad I'm not a lawyer right about now.

Trump's supposed co-conspirators are his attorneys, and Georgia has charged them. If you've ever been sued or been involved with the legal system then you know lawyers are allowed to get away with a lot. They can defame you in court. They are allowed to float crackpot theories in an effort to sew a seed of doubt. This new way that Georgia is going about this indictment is akin to a criminal defense lawyer advising a plea of not guilty to his client, to then have the state charge the lawyer as party to the crime on account of the legal advice he gave to the criminal.

In the short term it will make it very hard for Trump to get lawyers. In the longer term it should make lawyers on the other side very nervous because in politics turnabout is considered fair play. If Trump's lawyers are being prosecuted today, it could very easily lead to lawyers on the other side being prosecuted tomorrow. It is not a surprise at all to me that in the wake of the indictment of Trump's lawyers, this news broke an hour ago:

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Sewing a seed does sound like something a Trump lawyer would do.
 
fishonjazz said:
www.yahoo.com

Jon Meacham Gets Blunt About Trump’s 4th Indictment: ‘This Was a Coup D’Etat’ (Video)

"I use this word very, very advisably, I’m not just popping off here," the presidential historian says on "Morning Joe" The post Jon Meacham Gets Blunt About Trump’s 4th Indictment: ‘This Was a Coup D’Etat’ (Video) appeared first on TheWrap.
www.yahoo.com www.yahoo.com

“You have this whole cast of characters who’ve been indicted now in Fulton County who were attempting – and I use this word very, very advisably, I’m not just popping off here – this was a coup d’etat. This was an attempt to seize power that was not legitimately granted by the electoral processes of the Constitution of the United States. Full stop. That’s what it was.”

“The test for all of us is are we up to obeying the rule of law, even when it goes a way we may not like? It’s a fundamental question,” he said, before pondering the surprising number of Trump followers who are refusing to accept the law.

“A surprisingly large chunk of the country – at least, surprising to me – will follow the now four-times indicted former president to the edge of a cliff and possibly over that cliff. The question is, do enough of those folks believe in the rule of law? Do they believe in the evidence of their own eyes, and let’s just say their own ears because he’s recorded?”
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What is the narrative about why none of the Jan 6th protesters brought guns to this violent insurrection? I'm not a big gun nut, but if I was going to overthrow the American government I'd want to go with folks who brought some guns.
 
One Brow said:
That this is not true.

www.politifact.com

Jan. 6 defendants were armed with guns, other weapons, documents show

President Donald Trump claimed on Fox News that there were no guns in the insurrection at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 20
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I would expect many, many, many more guns at a planned and orchestrated attempt by terrorists groups to overthrow the US government. I dunno? These idiots thought they'd overthrow the government with pepper spray and sticks?
How many of the hundreds of charges even included violence let alone guns?
 
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Mongoose said:
I would expect many, many, many more guns at a planned and orchestrated attempt by terrorists groups to overthrow the US government. I dunno? These idiots thought they'd overthrow the government with pepper spray and sticks?
How many of the hundreds of charges even included violence?
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In Trump We Trust.
 
Mongoose said:
What is the narrative about why none of the Jan 6th protesters brought guns to this violent insurrection? I'm not a big gun nut, but if I was going to overthrow the American government I'd want to go with folks who brought some guns.
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They thought they'd be greeted as liberators...
 
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