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So to summarize ballot harvesting:
In almost all swing states ballot harvesting is illegal for both republicans and democrats.
In states (swing states or otherwise) where ballot harvesting is legal, it is legal for both democrats and republicans and both parties plan to use the strategy. Pretty fair and square.
We can close the book on ballot harvesting as the reason why one candidate will beat the other and instead look to the actual candidates themselves. Just going off the actual candidates Kamala should win the election being that there are more voters registered as democrats in america than republicans and the republican candidate is the more corrupt, scandalous, dishonest and immoral candidate in history who had a horrible approval rating while being president despite having the benefit of a great economy set up by his predecessor.
 
Apologies if this gets tedious but there is a lot to unpack.

fishonjazz said:
explicitly legal in just one of those states (swing states), Nevada.
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Nevada explicitly legalized ballot harvesting.

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banned by Republican-controlled legislatures in Arizona in 2016 and Georgia in 2021.
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Georgia banned it in 2021, after the 2020 election where it happened. Democrats sued to get their 2020 harvesting privileges back and lost in 2023. It might be possible for the GOP to win in Georgia. We'll have to see how the new-new laws hold up.


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It’s been illegal for nonfamily members to return voters’ ballots in North Carolina and Michigan for years.
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It is also legal to have nonfamily members return voters' ballots. It is legal and illegal. There are conflicting laws in Michigan. This issue could be sorted out if they wanted to. There is hundreds of hours of footage showing campaign staff dropping off harvested ballots in Detroit, where Joe Biden outperformed Obama. They have faces and license plates. If any of these people were prosecuted then the courts would have to decide if the legalization law or the illegalization law took precedence. None of these campaign staff have been prosecuted. In Michigan it is illegal and legal and definitely happening and not prosecuted. The GOP cannot win in Michigan.



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And in Wisconsin, where Republicans have previously fought to ban ballot harvesting and the use of drop boxes,
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Wisconsin has been the craziest. It was illegal, then in 2020 it was legal, then it was illegal, and finally via a 5-4 split decision in their state Supreme Court this past July, it is legal. The Republicans in Wisconsin are now embracing ballot harvesting because they have no other choice. They fought hard and lost. Embracing harvesting won't help. The GOP cannot win in Wisconsin.

wisconsinexaminer.com

Ballot drop boxes now allowed in Wisconsin after state Supreme Court reverses 2022 decision • Wisconsin Examiner

Justice Ann Walsh Bradley wrote for the majority that the decision “does not force or require that any municipal clerks use drop boxes."
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Two weeks before the 2022 election, California Republicans identified 18,000 people with GOP voting records who hadn’t yet cast a ballot. They started repeatedly contacting those voters and collecting mail ballots in hopes of electing Modesto Republican John Duarte in an open and competitive congressional race.
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This proves how powerful the practice is. Modesto is crazy republican. It is an extremely conservative area and repubicans have been unable to win even there until accepting this is the new reality. Unfortunately for republicans nationally, the nation isn't 80% conservative.
 
fishonjazz said:
So to summarize ballot harvesting:
In almost all swing states ballot harvesting is illegal for both republicans and democrats.
In states (swing states or otherwise) where ballot harvesting is legal, it is legal for both democrats and republicans and both parties plan to use the strategy. Pretty fair and square.
We can close the book on ballot harvesting as the reason why one candidate will beat the other and instead look to the actual candidates themselves. Just going off the actual candidates Kamala should win the election being that there are more voters registered as democrats in america than republicans and the republican candidate is the more corrupt, scandalous, dishonest and immoral candidate in history who had a horrible approval rating while being president despite having the benefit of a great economy set up by his predecessor.
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I'm not trying to speak for AI, but he has stated to me in the past that the reason why ballot harvesting is a huge advantage for Democrats is because ballot harvesting is much more effective in high-population/urban areas which tend to lean very heavily in favor of Democrats.
 
Al-O-Meter said:
Apologies if this gets tedious but there is a lot to unpack.


Nevada explicitly legalized ballot harvesting.


Georgia banned it in 2021, after the 2020 election where it happened. Democrats sued to get their 2020 harvesting privileges back and lost in 2023. It might be possible for the GOP to win in Georgia. We'll have to see how the new-new laws hold up.



It is also legal to have nonfamily members return voters' ballots. It is legal and illegal. There are conflicting laws in Michigan. This issue could be sorted out if they wanted to. There is hundreds of hours of footage showing campaign staff dropping off harvested ballots in Detroit, where Joe Biden outperformed Obama. They have faces and license plates. If any of these people were prosecuted then the courts would have to decide if the legalization law or the illegalization law took precedence. None of these campaign staff have been prosecuted. In Michigan it is illegal and legal and definitely happening and not prosecuted. The GOP cannot win in Michigan.




Wisconsin has been the craziest. It was illegal, then in 2020 it was legal, then it was illegal, and finally via a 5-4 split decision in their state Supreme Court this past July, it is legal. The Republicans in Wisconsin are now embracing ballot harvesting because they have no other choice. They fought hard and lost. Embracing harvesting won't help. The GOP cannot win in Wisconsin.

wisconsinexaminer.com

Ballot drop boxes now allowed in Wisconsin after state Supreme Court reverses 2022 decision • Wisconsin Examiner

Justice Ann Walsh Bradley wrote for the majority that the decision “does not force or require that any municipal clerks use drop boxes."
wisconsinexaminer.com wisconsinexaminer.com


This proves how powerful the practice is. Modesto is crazy republican. It is an extremely conservative area and repubicans have been unable to win even there until accepting this is the new reality. Unfortunately for republicans nationally, the nation isn't 80% conservative.
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Pretty funny that you brought up the last election in there when we are talking about winning in 2024.

Everybody playing by the same rules. Everybody knows the rules. Everybody plans to use everything at their disposal to get out the vote.

Like I said, fair and square. If trump loses is because he got less electoral votes due to less voters wanting him to be their president. Not because Republicans can't win due to ballot harvesting as you claim.

I mean why would it surprise anyone that trump would simply have less people wanting to vote for him? There are more Americans registered as Democrats in America and trump had a horrible approval rating when he was president while also having a great economy and he is the most corrupt, scandalous, dishonest, and immoral candidate in history.

Republicans want to win elections? Well that's actually pretty simple. Choose a better candidate.

As for what you typed about Modesto.... That doesn't really make sense.
If Modesto is in fact crazy Republican like you say then a Republican winning an election there doesn't show how effective ballot harvesting is since they would have easily won the election regardless.

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Sardines said:
I'm not trying to speak for AI, but he has stated to me in the past that the reason why ballot harvesting is a huge advantage for Democrats is because ballot harvesting is much more effective in high-population/urban areas which tend to lean very heavily in favor of Democrats.
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Probably true. 3 things Republicans could do about that.

Work harder.
Get more high population/urban voters to want to vote for you.
Don't choose trump as the candidate. Trump is literally the worst possible choice if you want to get urban high population areas to vote Republican.


I mean this is quite easy stuff here.

Let's say ballot harvesting is outlawed and not practiced. Let's also say that Republicans stop trying to suppress voters and voting becomes easier more convenient.

Then Republicans still have the same problem. Less people wanting their candidate to be president if they keep nominating trump. That is the root problem for Republicans.

If Hailey were the Republican nominee then she would be the president in November.

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Trump is self destructing at the speed of light since the debate beatdown. I feel republicans will have no choice but to call him unfit and change to a different candidate.
 
MVP said:
Trump is self destructing at the speed of light since the debate beatdown. I feel republicans will have no choice but to call him unfit and change to a different candidate.
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It's too late for that. His name would still be on the ballot in most states. The convention has passed.

Nikki Haley called it. The first party to ditch their 80 year old candidate will win.
 
Sardines said:
It's too late for that. His name would still be on the ballot in most states. The convention has passed.

Nikki Haley called it. The first party to ditch their 80 year old candidate will win.
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Hell I, and many others im sure, called that way before Haley. When you have the 2 most disliked candidates in history (regardless of age) then its pretty obvious that it would be a great idea to replace said candidates. Imo Haley would have this election won already if the republican party would have chosen her. Would probably even still be running against Biden and destroying him.
 
MVP said:
Trump is self destructing at the speed of light since the debate beatdown. I feel republicans will have no choice but to call him unfit and change to a different candidate.
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He is, but the drooling base that claps like trained seals are still voting for him. We need to outwork and out vote them. “The forgotten man” deserves to be forgotten by the rest of civilized society. Bury these idiots socially, culturally, and electorally.
 
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Good video. Especially the part about Lee Atwater. You cannot watch Trump speak for more than 3 mins without hearing dog whistles. Just not as subtle as Atwater’s strategy. But it doesn’t matter anymore since the GOP base has become de-sensitized to the normal stuff. They need harder and harder doses. It’s why Fox News lost part of its audience to Newsmax and OANN in 2020 after briefly telling the truth about the election. And why they’ve gone all in on the extremism now. It’s why Trump must eat with Loomer and Fuentes to keep his base together.
 
Sardines said:
Apparently there was another impotent attempt to shoot Trump.

C'mon people, let's just let this guy lose the election and LIVE with his failure. These attempts do nothing but help Trump.
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Shots were fired at a secret service agent, apparently they forward scout the golf course (I assume the secret service are good at this cause Trump plays a round a golf a day apparently) a gun barrel was spotted and the SS agent engaged. The shooter fired 4 shots and fled. Apparently he had a go pro on him so I would guess motive was to release it online afterwards for internet fame. What's wrong with these people? Just hit your targets!!!
 
Rubashov said:
Shots were fired at a secret service agent, apparently they forward scout the golf course (I assume the secret service are good at this cause Trump plays a round a golf a day apparently) a gun barrel was spotted and the SS agent engaged. The shooter fired 4 shots and fled. Apparently he had a go pro on him so I would guess motive was to release it online afterwards for internet fame. What's wrong with these people? Just hit your targets!!!
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@fishonjazz free speech here. What say you should we regulate Rubashov for advocating to kill Trump? Throw him in jail for 20 months for his words? Should you call out Jason and have him banned from JF?

Is this the path you want to go down?
 
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