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[fishonjazz]

Who Had It Worse, Trump or Jesus Christ?

In MAGA-world and Christian Nationalism circles, many Trump supporters see his imminent arrest as eerily similar to the crucification of Jesus Christ.

www.vice.com

View: https://twitter.com/mason4922/status/1638525748377186305

Not a cult lol.

 

[fishonjazz]

Another article about it: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...1&cvid=4dc6b74e53f64765a46972a3073f814e&ei=47

Jesus Christ never made hush money payments to an adult film star, bragged about grabbing women's genitals, or incited a deadly riot after telling his supporters falsehoods about the results of a presidential election.

Despite this, reports Vice News, many Christian Trump supporters are now explicitly drawing comparisons between former President Donald Trump and Jesus Christ, as they see the looming indictments hanging over the former president as the same kind of persecution that Christ suffered at the hands of the Romans.

"Rome tried to silence a peaceful leader via political persecution, and ended up creating the most pervasive and permanent religious figure in all of world history."

Trump has picked up on his supporters' view of him as a Christ-like figure and has incorporated language appealing to that belief into his speeches.

“This language is just going to keep reinforcing the narrative that your cultural and religious enemies are politically persecuting you,” he explained. “Trump is an exemplar of how ‘your political enemies are persecuting you, we have to do something about it.'"



Not a cult

 

[fishonjazz]

Poor trump. He thought everyone would be so upset about his possible indictment that is worshisppers would show up in droves to protest.

Trump lashes out at ‘hellhole’ Manhattan after supporters fail to turn up to protest indictment in native city

But on Tuesday only a handful of pro-Trump supporters showed up outside the Manhattan Criminal Court and there was no reports of violence.

The small group was outnumbered by counterprotesters in support of an indictment for the former president – a Manhattan native who achieved just over 12 per cent of the vote in his former home borough in the 2020 election.

Those demonstrators called for Mr Trump’s arrest, chanting: “No one is above the law.”

It was not the type of protest Mr Trump was likely hoping for.

 

[One Brow]

View: https://twitter.com/mason4922/status/1638525748377186305

All things that can be said about Hitler, to my understanding.

 

[The Thriller]

Has trump been arrested yet? Where’s his mug shot? Or did he lie about things going down on Tuesday?

 

[Red]

All things that can be said about Hitler, to my understanding.

Yes, to my understanding as well. If I’m unfairly assuming McBride might be coming from a Christofascist mindset instead, certainly no evidence from those words in and of themselves, caps or not, or from say the perspective of the film The Trump Prophesy, which is odd, but maybe just a strange benign belief, well, that’s my bad to assume either. But I did, though, I did assume he was probably speaking from some strange blend of Trump-America-Christian God, because I’m concerned by the fusion of American uber-nationalism with the Christian faith. I don’t like its direction, I see it a lot, strikes me as potentially dangerous, kind of thing that leads to really useless wars and domestic cruelty. But he could just be a loving man, of course…

The chosen one? The new film that claims Trump's election was an act of God

More than 1,000 US cinemas are screening The Trump Prophecy – which posits that God chose the philandering billionaire to restore America’s moral values

www.theguardian.com

 

[LogGrad98]

I will say, as a more or less agnostic/Christian/mormon this kind of **** about the chosen one and cults and Jesus picking Trump as his go-to *****-grabber certainly casts the entire faith in a really bad light. I mean, there isn't a single major christian denomination that has spoken out against this corruption and immorality as a group, not one. I would have hoped the Mormons would have spoken out or something, but they are also silent on the matter as a group. Considering the damage this is doing to the entire christian movement I would hope at least one formal group would take an official stand to defend the core tenets of the religion against this kind of, well let's call it what it is, blasphemy. Certainly disappointing to say the least.

And frankly, even though I fully acknowledge that the mormons have their issues and inconsistencies and downright contradiction, I am really disappointed in how many I know personally that don't just tolerate Trump but also fully support him and espouse his political agenda. Oh they say "well I don't like everything about Trump, but he has done the tough things that needed to be done," but when you ask what they don't like and what needed to be done they hem and haw because putting it into words essentially sounds almost exactly like "he maintains the supremacy of the white man in America, he puts women in their place, and I am a barely-closeted racist". And as soon as they hear it, they recognize it briefly before backpedaling fast enough to win the Tour de France in reverse. Then they just repeat the cultish mantra "but he has done what needed to be done, but I don't like everything he does." This has become the "I have a black friend" claim to show you aren't a racist but for Trumpian white-supremacist sexist and borderline fascist politics. It is ****ing mind-boggling.

At least the ones I respect the most, like my dad, recognize it for what it is and are fully against it. For that I am happy. But when will some big group of christians stand up for the supposed christian tenets and values against what is obviously a full subversion of what they claim to hold most dear. Love thy neighbor as thyself, as long as the stay in their place. ****ing sickening.

 

[fishonjazz]

I will say, as a more or less agnostic/Christian/mormon this kind of **** about the chosen one and cults and Jesus picking Trump as his go-to *****-grabber certainly casts the entire faith in a really bad light. I mean, there isn't a single major christian denomination that has spoken out against this corruption and immorality as a group, not one. I would have hoped the Mormons would have spoken out or something, but they are also silent on the matter as a group.

Not only have none of these religious groups spoken out against trumps corruption and immorality but they actually praise him instead which is even worse. I would rather they simply be quiet and look the other way regarding trumps corruption and immorality but instead you have a mormon utah governor comparing trump to moroni from the book of mormon and licking his boots just like any other trump worshipper for hells sake.

 

[The Thriller]

I will say, as a more or less agnostic/Christian/mormon this kind of **** about the chosen one and cults and Jesus picking Trump as his go-to *****-grabber certainly casts the entire faith in a really bad light. I mean, there isn't a single major christian denomination that has spoken out against this corruption and immorality as a group, not one. I would have hoped the Mormons would have spoken out or something, but they are also silent on the matter as a group. Considering the damage this is doing to the entire christian movement I would hope at least one formal group would take an official stand to defend the core tenets of the religion against this kind of, well let's call it what it is, blasphemy. Certainly disappointing to say the least.

And frankly, even though I fully acknowledge that the mormons have their issues and inconsistencies and downright contradiction, I am really disappointed in how many I know personally that don't just tolerate Trump but also fully support him and espouse his political agenda. Oh they say "well I don't like everything about Trump, but he has done the tough things that needed to be done," but when you ask what they don't like it what needed to be done they hem and haw because putting it into words essentially sounds almost exactly like "he maintains the supremacy of the white man in America, he puts women in their place, and I am a barely-closeted racist". And as soon as they hear it, they recognize it briefly before backpedaling fast enough to win the Tour de France in reverse. Then they just repeat the cultish mantra "but he has done what needed to be done, but I don't like everything he does." This has become the "I have a black friend" claim to show you aren't a racist but for Trumpian white-supremacist sexist and borderline fascist politics. It is ****ing mind-boggling.

At least the ones I respect the most, like my dad, recognize it for what it is and are fully against it. For that I am happy. But when will some big group of christians stand up for the supposed christian tenets and values against what is obviously a full subversion of what they claim to hold most dear. Love thy neighbor as thyself, as long as the stay in their place. ****ing sickening.

But judges and tax cuts…

Why speak out against immorality when you’re getting the policy outcomes you’ve desired for decades?

 

[LogGrad98]

Not only have none of these religious groups spoken out against trumps corruption and immorality but they actually praise him instead which is even worse. I would rather they simply be quiet and look the other way regarding trumps corruption and immorality but instead you have a mormon utah governor comparing trump to moroni from the book of mormon and licking his boots just like any other trump worshipper for hells sake.

Yeah that is worse, agreed. I get that they are happy it maintains the status quo, whatever that means, and reinforces the "American" segregationist values. What I don't get is that even with Trump's blatant discrimination on the race front that something like the Southern Baptist Convention won't decry him. He makes a show of using the ****ing military to force people to move so he can hold a bible upside down for a photo op and everyone in the Christian community goes ******* for him. It is crazy, and frankly terrifying, the sudden and powerful cult of personality he has been able to build in such a short time frame. I would bet money that if you went back to 2014 and asked most of these same Americans what they thought of Trump the attitude would range between indifference to derision, with a few TV fans sprinkled in. Then suddenly he was the 2nd coming of Jesus, somehow. Amazing.


I really think Anthony Bourdain hit the nail on the head with his prescient article he wrote about how the liberals had been treating middle-, white-, and rural-americans with contempt and disdain for so long that they were ripe for an uprising, and Trump gave it to them. Not to blame everything on that, but you better believe it had something strongly to do with this entire development. It feels good to be vindicated and you will do everything you can to keep that feeling and that is how many American's felt with Trump as president as they could point to an "authority" and say, "see, we were right all along, we needed someone to fight for us, stop telling us what to do. Stop cancelling us and dismissing our point of view". And now we are seeing the backlash. And, as usual for things like this, like take dieting, humans tend to overcorrect in the worst way. The problem with dieting is when you deny yourself strictly you are almost certainly going to rebound at some point and go way back over the line the other way, hence why most people who "diet" gain all their weight back and more. I think we are seeing something like this that is driving Christians, for example, to ignore all the blatant bad **** because they feel vindicated. It also explains the severe overcorrection on abortion.

Anthony Bourdain on Sichuan Peppers, Sex, Eating Dogs, and Political Correctness

An exclusive post-election interview with the culinary celebrity host of Parts Unknown.

reason.com

Bisley: You're a liberal. What should liberals be critiquing their own side for?

Bourdain: There's just so much. I hate the term political correctness, the way in which speech that is found to be unpleasant or offensive is often banned from universities. Which is exactly where speech that is potentially hurtful and offensive should be heard.

The way we demonize comedians for use of language or terminology is unspeakable. Because that's exactly what comedians should be doing, offending and upsetting people, and being offensive. Comedy is there, like art, to make people uncomfortable, and challenge their views, and hopefully have a spirited yet civil argument. If you're a comedian whose bread and butter seems to be language, situations, and jokes that I find racist and offensive, I won't buy tickets to your show or watch you on TV. I will not support you. If people ask me what I think, I will say you suck, and that I think you are racist and offensive. But I'm not going to try to put you out of work. I'm not going to start a boycott, or a hashtag, looking to get you driven out of the business.

The utter contempt with which privileged Eastern liberals such as myself discuss red-state, gun-country, working-class America as ridiculous and morons and rubes is largely responsible for the upswell of rage and contempt and desire to pull down the temple that we're seeing now.

I've spent a lot of time in gun-country, God-fearing America. There are a hell of a lot of nice people out there, who are doing what everyone else in this world is trying to do: the best they can to get by, and take care of themselves and the people they love. When we deny them their basic humanity and legitimacy of their views, however different they may be than ours, when we mock them at every turn, and treat them with contempt, we do no one any good. Nothing nauseates me more than preaching to the converted. The self-congratulatory tone of the privileged left—just repeating and repeating and repeating the outrages of the opposition—this does not win hearts and minds. It doesn't change anyone's opinions. It only solidifies them, and makes things worse for all of us. We should be breaking bread with each other, and finding common ground whenever possible. I fear that is not at all what we've done.

Wow reading that again it is shocking how spot on that all is.


RIP Anthony.

 

[One Brow]

I really think Anthony Bourdain hit the nail on the head with his prescient article he wrote about how the liberals had been treating middle-, white-, and rural-americans with contempt and disdain for so long that they were ripe for an uprising, and Trump gave it to them.

Bourdain sounded to me as pretty clueless. For example, the term political correctness is not a term that universities use to impede speech, it's a slur used by those who like like to be polite. Comedians do have an important function in criticizing social constructs, but (as an example) fat-shaming serves no purpose in that regard. There's a difference between commentary on society and treating people like they are side-show freaks.

As for the vindication of the Trump supporters, what he vindicates is their hatred. For many of them, their way of getting by and taking care includes making sure that they never see two men kissing or a man in glitter and a dress.

 

[Gameface]

Bourdain sounded to me as pretty clueless. For example, the term political correctness is not a term that universities use to impede speech, it's a slur used by those who like like to be polite. Comedians do have an important function in criticizing social constructs, but (as an example) fat-shaming serves no purpose in that regard. There's a difference between commentary on society and treating people like they are side-show freaks.

As for the vindication of the Trump supporters, what he vindicates is their hatred. For many of them, their way of getting by and taking care includes making sure that they never see two men kissing or a man in glitter and a dress.

What the term political correctness means and how it is used depends entirely on what period of time you're talking about. Same thing for "fake news" which began during the Trump campaign and shortly after the election to describe sham "news" websites with pseudo-journalism articles attacking Hillary and the Libruls. Then Trump flipped it. Conservatives did the same thing with "political correctness" and more recently with things like "CRT" and "Woke."