Donald is about to go through some things...

[One Brow]

While this is technically true it is hard to deny that some privilege from daddy wasn't brought to bear to cover this **** up. He is a piece of ****, no doubt. He should have been prosecuted at some point. Just because the statute of limitations might have lapsed does not make it any more morally defensible.

Sure, typical rich-white-politician corruption. No special FBI political leanings needed.

 

[Red]

I don't think the FBI's role is limited to investigating things they judge to have the same consequences to the body politic. I don't think they should be making that judgement at all. There are federal laws and the FBI should enforce those laws regardless of how big or small the law is, or the political leanings of the law breaker. With how the FBI operates, there should not be one standard for those on the political right and a blind eye being turned when it comes to Hunter Biden.

I fully agree. And if it’s warranted, I expect Republican investigations of Hunter, beginning in 2023, assuming of course that they win the House, could spur the DOJ to open an investigation. IF it is actually warranted. Because I do not believe, for one instance, that Garland is otherwise sitting there saying “I’m not touching Hunter Biden, unless someone forces my hand” I do not believe Garland and the FBI are deliberately burying Hunter Biden wrongdoing for political purpose. But, I think you do believe that is the case. Maybe you have information I lack, telling you that no FBI look at Hunter has yet taken place, and none will, because Garland does not indict Democrats. Garland is all about protecting Joe Biden and the Democrats. Lol.

Biden has only had one AG so far. How many AG’s did Trump go through, looking for one that would swear loyalty, not to Right or Left, but to one man? How many AG’s did Trump go through, hoping for one loyal, not to the constitution, but to one man? Did Joe make sure Garland swore loyalty to him?

And I suspect you just want that DOJ look-see simply to deflect. An individual, who believes the military should be loyal to him, not the Constitution, and who quite obviously believes he is above the law, in a nation of law, is not newsworthy enough. You did not even want a 1/6 committee. You said the attempt by Trump was a joke, in that it could never have succeeded. And, you know, I kind of felt the same way, surely the Supreme Court would step in, I thought. It would never have succeeded. Yet, thanks to the committee you thought should not sit at all, we now can see just how involved this plan was. Just how un-American this MAGA clown really is. Every bit as un-American as General Milley described in his unsubmitted letter of resignation.

So, I think you’ll have your day. And if Hunter broke laws, well then, he should be called to account. No man is above the law. Not Donald Trump. Not Hunter Biden.

 

[fishonjazz]

I fully agree. And if it’s warranted, I expect Republican investigations of Hunter, beginning in 2023, assuming of course that they win the House, could spur the DOJ to open an investigation. IF it is actually warranted. Because I do not believe, for one instance, that Garland is otherwise sitting there saying “I’m not touching Hunter Biden, unless someone forces my hand” I do not believe Garland and the FBI are deliberately burying Hunter Biden wrongdoing for political purpose. But, I think you do believe that is the case. Maybe you have information I lack, telling you that no FBI look at Hunter has yet taken place, and none will, because Garland does not indict Democrats. Garland is all about protecting Joe Biden and the Democrats. Lol.

Biden has only had one AG so far. How many AG’s did Trump go through, looking for one that would swear loyalty, not to Right or Left, but to one man? How many AG’s did Trump go through, hoping for one loyal, not to the constitution, but to one man? Did Joe make sure Garland swore loyalty to him?

And I suspect you just want that DOJ look-see simply to deflect. An individual, who believes the military should be loyal to him, not the Constitution, and who quite obviously believes he is above the law, in a nation of law, is not newsworthy enough. You did not even want a 1/6 committee. You said the attempt by Trump was a joke, in that it could never have succeeded. And, you know, I kind of felt the same way, surely the Supreme Court would step in, I thought. It would never have succeeded. Yet, thanks to the committee you thought should not sit at all, we now can see just how involved this plan was. Just how un-American this MAGA clown really is. Every bit as un-American as General Milley described in his unsubmitted letter of resignation.

So, I think you’ll have your day. And if Hunter broke laws, well then, he should be called to account. No man is above the law. Not Donald Trump. Not Hunter Biden.

From what gameface said, hunter is already being investigated currently. Big nothingburger from Al


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[Al-O-Meter]

I expect Republican investigations of Hunter, beginning in 2023, assuming of course that they win the House

If that happens then I would be unhappy with the Republicans because the Legislative Branch is not law enforcement. Hunter Biden is not a government official. The House has no civilian oversight authority. If after the GOP wins control of the House there is an investigation into the FBI's handling of Hunter Biden then I'd be all for it because they do have oversight of that. The ends don't justify the means. It shouldn't be about which side wins control so they can use the levers of power to prosecute their enemies. I believe in limited government with each area having clearly defined powers and consequences for stepping outside their box.

 

[Red]

Maybe, but I really ask myself, what would be the desired outcome of said civil war? Removal of all individual liberties? Return to segregation? Separate but equal codified in the constitution? Abortion criminalized, along with miscarriages and anyone helping any women with pregnancy complications? President/Dictator Trump serving for life? Elimination of checks and balances in the structure of our government? What do they really want to accomplish? So they kick off a civil war since the FBI raided one of Trump's residences. So they start fighting, and killing people, and what do they want to come out of it? Just an orgasm from achieving their fever dreams of killing people with their 200 guns? Seriously, a civil war has to have targets, end-state goals, and then finally, consequences. Talk of a civil war is just about the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Not that some right-wing militia groups and citizens with murder fantasies might band together and put up a show of force, but take the real actual civil war we had. We had a literal division in the country. I am sure not everyone on the north side and everyone on the south side agreed with the reasoning entirely for their side to fight, but enough did to allow it to happen and to support it. But it was a fundamental change to our country the likes of which we have never seen before or since. These idiots really think 50% of the population will support attacking the other 50% because Trump might be held accountable for his actions? How remarkably stupid.

I think they should band together and start this civil war. Every single right-wing militia group and extremist who feels attacking our seat of government was a patriotic act because we can't lose an election!!1! How can we lose, it has to be yet another conspiracy!!! We could have cheerleaders and everything!!!1! We are the 'muricans, mighty mighty 'muricans!!! We have spirit, yes we do, we have guns, how 'bout YOU?!?!? 'Muricans let's fight, get Trump a vict'ry tonight!! Let's FIGHT!!! Who do we want? TRUMP!! What do we want? D-I-C-T-A-T-O-R......TTTRRRUUUUMMMMPPPPP!!!!!!! GO TRUMP!!!

Maybe we can eliminate the bulk of the morons doing real damage to the country in one fell swoop as the military swoops in and puts it down in about an hour.

Listen. You misunderstand me. And I’m perfectly capable of not being clear in what I’m trying to say.

First of all, I have no idea what form a civil war would take in the United States today. I have no idea what form a civil war takes place in a modern national security state. I would not expect standing armies, that’s for sure.

I am not even sure a single shot needs to be fired to even qualify as a civil war in this age!

We are engaged in a cultural and political civil war right now, as far as I am concerned. Most Republicans are convinced the 2020 election was stolen. They see the Democrats, and liberals, as the enemy of the country they love. And Democrats clearly not just understand, but clearly actually SEE that Trump and his supporters tried to overturn one election, and they believe they will do it again. I don’t see every MAGA supporter as my enemy, but I certainly see the MAGA movement as the enemy of my country. I believe these two perspectives are irreconcilable at present. And if so, how do we emerge from cultural and political civil war?

I know people think of civil wars as blood soaked affairs, but if we decide, that, from now on, MAGA can only hate liberals and progressives, and liberals and Democrats can only hate MAGA, then what are we left with? Fierce court battles every single election, accusations flying every single election, Democratic presidents not legitimate to Republicans, Republican presidents not legitimate to Democrats. Absolutely no dialog. I don’t know how long such a state of the body politic could go on like that, but I do see that as a type of civil war. A Divided States of America, with absolutely no way forward toward reconciliation, trust, etc.

At least for the foreseeable future, things driving us apart are only going to grow. Things are going to get worse for this country. Much worse.

 

[Red]

From what gameface said, hunter is already being investigated currently. Big nothingburger from Al


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Thanks. Yeah, I might have added that I was not myself certain that the FBI was not already doing that….

 

[LogGrad98]

Listen. You misunderstand me. And I’m perfectly capable of not being clear in what I’m trying to say.

First of all, I have no idea what form a civil war would take in the United States today. I have no idea what form a civil war takes place in a modern national security state. I would not expect standing armies, that’s for sure.

I am not even sure a single shot needs to be fired to even qualify as a civil war in this age!

We are engaged in a cultural and political civil war right now, as far as I am concerned. Most Republicans are convinced the 2020 election was stolen. They see the Democrats, and liberals, as the enemy of the country they love. And Democrats clearly not just understand, but clearly actually SEE that Trump and his supporters tried to overturn one election, and they believe they will do it again. I don’t see every MAGA supporter as my enemy, but I certainly see the MAGA movement as the enemy of my country. I believe these two perspectives are irreconcilable at present. And if so, how do we emerge from cultural and political civil war?

I know people think of civil wars as blood soaked affairs, but if we decide, that, from now on, MAGA can only hate liberals and progressives, and liberals and Democrats can only hate MAGA, then what are we left with? Fierce court battles every single election, accusations flying every single election, Democratic presidents not legitimate to Republicans, Republican presidents not legitimate to Democrats. Absolutely no dialog. I don’t know how long such a state of the body politic could go on like that, but I do see that as a type of civil war. A Divided States of America, with absolutely no way forward toward reconciliation, trust, etc.

At least for the foreseeable future, things driving us apart are only going to grow. Things are going to get worse for this country. Much worse.

I was asking more generally, not you specifically. I agreed with you generally that there is a call for this in some reaches of far-right. I just wondered aloud (in writing) what exactly they want to accomplish in a civil war.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

This was a poll conducted back in May of this year, well before any of the events of the past 24 hours. 55% of Republicans have little or no trust in the FBI. 53% of Independents have little or no trust in the FBI.

 

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I was asking more generally, not you specifically. I agreed with you generally that there is a call for this in some reaches of far-right. I just wondered aloud (in writing) what exactly they want to accomplish in a civil war.

Pre New Deal Jim Crow America.

That’s what they want.

During that time the federal government was nothing more than a navy and small army. It didn’t regulate industries, left rich oligarchs to do whatever they wanted, didn’t enforce any environmental regulations, provided no social safety net, and never got in the way of “state’s rights.”

Socially, it would mean a return to the status quo; rich white (Christian) males on top, women in the kitchen, and black people on the bottom.

I think Tom Nichols nails it in this piece:

When Democracy Ends

It won’t look like you think it will.

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The “United States” would become a patchwork of small democracies agreeing to share a currency and certain other conveniences with a small cluster of half-assed, repressive oligarchies who agree only to help the federal government keep air traffic sorted out and the Wi-Fi strong. The nosy national courts and other federal institutions—at least until they are fully infested with right-wing cronies—will be told to go mind their own business about things like “free assembly,” “cruel and unusual punishment,” or that other whatchamacallit, “the rule of law.”

We’re already seeing this with abortion. Each state is its own country. Red states have outlawed it while blue states have moved to codify it. This won’t end with abortion. It’ll carry over to contraception, gay marriage, affirmative action, and other social laws and programs.

 

[fishonjazz]

So as far as I remember everyone know trump took classified documents from the white House to mar a Lago. I think I even remember trump admitting to that. So why would anyone have a problem with the FBI raiding mar a Lago to retrieve those documents?
Also, a judge would have to sign off on the search warrant right? Meaning a judge saw enough evidence of a crime to sign the warrant.

 

[Just Ted]

Because Hillary had classified documents on an unsecure mail account and didn’t even get a slap on the hand. Hillary deleted thousands of emails from a server that was easy to Hack and had possibly violated several top secret obligations that threatened the safety of our country. Still nothing…. Both dems and repubs need to own what has happened. Everything is political war fare now days. We are so tribal. I’ve read almost every post on this and find it crazy that both sides make comments such as “ republicans want to go back to Jim Crow” This broad brush is what is creating this civil war and we all just jump on board and paint with the broadest scopes we can to dehumanize the opposition. America as we knew it is gone. When Pelosi is praising China as an example of freedom, when Trump attacks race and sexuality, when the news attacks religions…we have lost our sense of countey. The beginning of the end?

 

[One Brow]

Because Hillary had classified documents on an unsecure mail account and didn’t even get a slap on the hand.

Emails, not documents, and they were buried below top-posted content in the standard email style. It was still inexcusable, both by Clinton and by everyone who sent an email with classified information to her email server. If you prosecute Clinton, half of Congress is involved, minimum, from both sides. No way they let that happen.

Hillary deleted thousands of emails from a server that was easy to Hack and had possibly violated several top secret obligations that threatened the safety of our country. Still nothing….

You just said the same thing twice. That's not waht "Still ... " means in that context.

Both dems and repubs need to own what has happened. Everything is political war fare now days. We are so tribal. I’ve read almost every post on this and find it crazy that both sides make comments such as “ republicans want to go back to Jim Crow” This broad brush is what is creating this civil war and we all just jump on board and paint with the broadest scopes we can to dehumanize the opposition. America as we knew it is gone. When Pelops is praising China as an example of freedom, when Trump attacks race and sexuality, when the news attacks religions…we have lost our sense of countey.

Here I agree (although if "Pelops" means "Pelosi", than "China" was actually Taiwan, which has a modern democracy).

The beginning of the end?

Just more of the same. If we see a fistfight break out in Congress, that will be a throwback to the old days.