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I would classify my political designation as culturally left, fiscally right. Our government spends like there's no tomorrow with zero accountability and unchecked at any angle - money and dollars are simply made up and exist only in data and figments of our imagination. We also don't spend our "budget' on the right things. If we as as Americans need to budget, why doesn't the government?

I'm not 'woke' by any means, but whom you want to marry, how you identify and any pronouns you associate with yourself matter zero to me. I honestly don't give a **** - it doesn't affect me in the least so you do you. I don't bind my beliefs to ancient texts written centuries ago by scholars as a way to live my life - if you'd like to do so, be my guest, but don't associate your beliefs as ones I should have to follow. I feel good about where my moral compass is simply from what feels right and what feels wrong.

Where on the political spectrum you put that, I don't know as I'm not registered to any political party and have voted for both D's and R's in recent years as I vote on the person, not the letter by the name. As a populace, we'd be in a much better place if we didn't herd everyone to labels that simply don't apply.
 
The Thriller said:
LOL. Imagine typing this with a straight face. Biden isn’t far left nor is this Congress that is evenly split. Yhis board is far from being left wing. You desperately need better sources of information.

Out of curiosity, what are you watching and reading? Fox? Newsmax? Gateway pundit? Breitbart? The Daily Stormer
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Nah. I just don’t suck the *** of the democrat elite or republican crazies. I don’t follow any of those “news” agencies you quote. I had a lengthy response but then I remembered I’m trying to have a discussion with thriller….. lost cause
 
The Thriller said:
Annnndddd history repeats itself.

Remember when Trump threatened Comey to stop investigating Flynn?

Or when he threatened Zelensky to investigate Biden?

Or when he threatened the Sec of State in GA to find missing votes?

Or when he threatened Pence to reject the certification of electors on Jan 6?

He did it again. This time to Garland


View: https://twitter.com/tomjchicago/status/1558504807895285761?s=21&t=YEZjhMMu7DSRz4xS0PC10A
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The answer to his question of what he can do to reduce the heat? The exact opposite of whatever the **** he has been doing for the last 6 years.
 
Avery said:
I would classify my political designation as culturally left, fiscally right. Our government spends like there's no tomorrow with zero accountability and unchecked at any angle - money and dollars are simply made up and exist only in data and figments of our imagination. We also don't spend our "budget' on the right things. If we as as Americans need to budget, why doesn't the government?

I'm not 'woke' by any means, but whom you want to marry, how you identify and any pronouns you associate with yourself matter zero to me. I honestly don't give a **** - it doesn't affect me in the least so you do you. I don't bind my beliefs to ancient texts written centuries ago by scholars as a way to live my life - if you'd like to do so, be my guest, but don't associate your beliefs as ones I should have to follow. I feel good about where my moral compass is simply from what feels right and what feels wrong.

Where on the political spectrum you put that, I don't know as I'm not registered to any political party and have voted for both D's and R's in recent years as I vote on the person, not the letter by the name. As a populace, we'd be in a much better place if we didn't herd everyone to labels that simply don't apply.
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This is me as well. I am also currently registered unaffiliated. Voted for democrats and republicans last time around. Never even voted for anyone before trump ran for office.
 
Just Ted said:
Nah. I just don’t suck the *** of the democrat elite or republican crazies. I don’t follow any of those “news” agencies you quote. I had a lengthy response but then I remembered I’m trying to have a discussion with thriller….. lost cause
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you literally repeated lies that had been refuted by mainstream media sources and the National Archives and you have nerve to accuse me of sucking on a certain politician or political party? Why did you repeat that bad information? And why are you reacting so defensively to being corrected?

I’m now the second person you’ve failed to have an intelligent conversation with in this thread in the last two days. The first being Fish. So perhaps a little self-awareness is in order? Maybe the issue isn’t so much with others as it is with you?

It would certainly help us have a better conversation if you weren’t repeating lies and unfounded conspiracies. You’re certainly entitled to your own opinions but not entitled to create your own facts. Otherwise, yeah, it truly is a lost cause to have a conversation with you.
 
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I just think it's hilarious that Trump enhanced the penalty for unauthorized removal of Presidential documents in 2018 and wants that law retroactively applied.

He enhanced the law and is now paying the piper for it.

Political vengeance is never a good way to make laws... But it is hilarious that he's facing the enhancement of a law he signed designed to go after Obama or Hillary.
 
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More (different) bad news for the trumpster. Seems everyone is out to get him right trumpers? Im sure its everyone else and not the common denominator in all this. Remember, before he was ever president and before the "deep state" was after him and all the lefties, commies, marxists, socialists, and dems were just going after him simply due to politics he was in court a whole bunch for wide ranging law breaking and grifting. He is always the common denominator. Maybe instead of everyone is just out to get him, could it be possible that trump IS the problem.
 

"I do think the investigation is just beyond Donald Trump. I think Trump has to be worried about the mole within Mar-a-Lago because there is a reason why they got a search warrant. They had someone on the inside who knew that Trump was allegedly lying about the possession of these documents and knew where it was located -- inside that safe.

"Here's the other troubling thing: based on the statutes cited, that mole may have also told the feds that Trump had destroyed documents," he added. "So, it's not just that Trump possessed documents, but that that secret source may have observed Trump destroying the documents, which is another crime altogether."

He concluded, "So yeah, he's got a lot to worry about, because the one thing you know about Donald Trump, he values loyalty above everything else, even though loyalty, to him, is one-way street."
 
The trumpers who have screaming from the rooftops "trump can declassify whatever he wants and everything was declassified" are going to love this:

  • Rep. Jim Himes said Trump's claims of a "standing order" to declassify any documents he took are "utter baloney."
  • Himes said the declassification process is complex and can often take months.
Himes told MSNBC that while the president is a declassifying authority, there is a "really elaborate documented process for declassification," which can often take months.

"Of course, he's going to say that because it creates a little bit of confusion and throws a bit of mud into the water. But I can tell you as someone who also sees the most sensitive information this country has, that's utter baloney."

In a statement to Fox News, the former president defended himself by claiming that he had a "standing order" whereby documents were declassified "the moment" they left the Oval Office. Sorry donnie boy, that aint how it works.

Himes, the representative for Connecticut's 4th congressional district, dismissed Trump's claims and described the stringent security process for accessing sensitive documents in government facilities.
"If I take documents out of that facility, I have committed a felony. And if a president takes them out of a facility, he too has broken the law," he said.

Himes said he did not believe that Trump thought the documents were declassified and would have been immediately corrected even if he had expressed that belief.

"If he thought that that was, or told anybody that that would be the case, you know, there would have been about 50 people that say 'no sir, that doesn't work.'"

Himes suggested that Trump's latest claim is just an attempt to deflect the issue, such as his unrelated comparison of former President Barack Obama taking documents to Chicago after leaving office.

"We should try to keep our eyes on the main thing here, which is we're in the world of the typical Trump defense," Himes said.

And again, the classification status doesn't really matter all that much in the end, since the possible crimes being investigated do not depend on the classification of the documents, as they relate to the handling of national security information.
 

Fox News host Bret Baier rejected claims that former President Barack Obama had also unlawfully taken 30 million pages of documents from the House, which Trump had sought to use as evidence that the FBI raid on his Mar-a-Lago home earlier this was politically motivated.
“There is a process” to declassify documents and remove them from the White House, Baier said. “Everything we know [about Obama’s records] followed all of those, the processes to get those documents to Chicago. … But how they were handled was done by that process.”

“NARA moved approximately 30 million pages of unclassified records to a NARA facility in the Chicago area, where they are maintained exclusively by NARA,” the agency said. “Additionally, NARA maintains the classified Obama Presidential records in a NARA facility in the Washington, DC, area. As required by the [Presidential Records Act], former President Obama has no control over where and how NARA stores the Presidential records of his Administration.”
 
fishonjazz said:

More (different) bad news for the trumpster. Seems everyone is out to get him right trumpers? Im sure its everyone else and not the common denominator in all this. Remember, before he was ever president and before the "deep state" was after him and all the lefties, commies, marxists, socialists, and dems were just going after him simply due to politics he was in court a whole bunch for wide ranging law breaking and grifting. He is always the common denominator. Maybe instead of everyone is just out to get him, could it be possible that trump IS the problem.
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Trump has always been the problem... Have some sympathy for the Trumpers they are just going through denial, eventually we'll get to bargaining and acceptance...

If they can ever get beyond their sunk cost fallacy, which will move on to defascist rather than them ever admitting they might be wrong about anything.

Sometimes i think even if some god came down from the heavens and called them morons for following Trump, they'd still be in denial.

They have become the people their own bible warned about.
 
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