FalseFlagg K
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you guys are both selective with your choices, arguements, points of view. It's pretty exhausting reading these interactions The irony is you both seem pretty reasonable and politics aside would get on quite well.
you guys are both selective with your choices, arguements, points of view. It's pretty exhausting reading these interactions The irony is you both seem pretty reasonable and politics aside would get on quite well.
I fully acknowledge that I was being selective, and have no objection to you pointing that out.
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Fox News is now claiming that the FBI framed Trump. Just like the FBI AND BLM were behind Jan 6.
View: https://twitter.com/acyn/status/1565178360245927937?s=21&t=wpZdOLf_e7GRNcLXe9CMww
View: https://twitter.com/mattgertz/status/1564964300166504448?s=21&t=wpZdOLf_e7GRNcLXe9CMww
View: https://twitter.com/acyn/status/1565178360245927937?s=21&t=wpZdOLf_e7GRNcLXe9CMww
View: https://twitter.com/mattgertz/status/1564964300166504448?s=21&t=wpZdOLf_e7GRNcLXe9CMww
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Don't talk about Spida like that.
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Legal and political experts weighed in on Wednesday after the Department of Justice deployed a "legal battering ram" in a 36-page late-night court filing with 18-pages of exhibits.
Former acting Solicitor General Neal Katyal tweeted, "If this were any normal client, and any normal lawyer, we'd be talking about a plea today."
"Even if FPOTUS had the best lawyers in the world, they can't protect him from himself," Epner explained.
Attorney Teri Kanefield suggested that Trump's lawyers not only can't protect him, but can only get themselves in trouble.
"Trump hires lawyers to do his bidding (not give him legal advice) and this tends to get his lawyers into trouble," Kanefield wrote.
Tristan Snell, who prosecuted Trump University at the New York Attorney General's Office, wrote, "At this point, any lawyer who works with Trump is fully aware of the risks and should know they’re risking disbarment — if not indictment."
"Trump's lawyers always end up needing lawyers," he added.
"Two lawyers for former President Donald J. Trump are likely to become witnesses or targets in the investigation into how he hoarded documents marked as classified at Mar-a-Lago, his Florida estate — and secretly held onto some even after the lawyers claimed all sensitive materials had been returned, legal specialists said.
The lawyers, M. Evan Corcoran and Christina Bobb, handled Mr. Trump’s interactions with the government over a subpoena in May seeking additional material marked as classified. In a court filing late Tuesday, the Justice Department strongly suggested that people in Mr. Trump’s circle concealed documents in defiance of that subpoena, putting a spotlight on the lawyers’ actions."
Corcoran and Bobb weren't the only attorney's implicated in DOJ's late-night filing.
"Just six days before the Justice Department subpoenaed to recover highly sensitive documents housed at Mar-a-Lago, one of Former President Donald Trump’s attorneys scoured the estate searching for records in response to a separate legal matter. The attorney, Alina Habba, told a New York State court that on May 5, she conducted a search of Trump’s private residence and office at Mar-a-Lago that was so 'diligent' it included “all desks, drawers, nightstands, dressers, closets, etc.” She was looking for records in response to a subpoena issued by New York Attorney General Letitia James, who is investigating matters related to the Trump Organization."
Trump attorneys weren't just facing scrutiny in Florida and New York on Wednesday, but also in Georgia.
"John Eastman, the lawyer who developed strategies to block certification of the 2020 election, is 'probably a target' in the criminal investigation into efforts to overturn Donald J. Trump’s election loss in Georgia, one of Mr. Eastman’s lawyers said on Wednesday. Mr. Eastman spent the morning appearing before an Atlanta special grand jury looking into the matter," The New York Times reported.
Attorney Bradley Moss concluded, "Trump simply has the worst lawyers."
Conservative political scientist expert Norm Ornstein predicted Trump lawyers will find themselves incarcerated.
But the legal liability facing Trump's lawyers could put additional pressure on Attorney General Merrick Garland to prosecute Trump, according to former acting Solicitor General Katyal.
"It would be a betrayal of the rule of law for only Trump’s lawyers to go to jail, and not the client himself," Katyal wrote. "I do not see how DOJ can look the other way."
Legal and political experts weighed in on Wednesday after the Department of Justice deployed a "legal battering ram" in a 36-page late-night court filing with 18-pages of exhibits.
Former acting Solicitor General Neal Katyal tweeted, "If this were any normal client, and any normal lawyer, we'd be talking about a plea today."
"Even if FPOTUS had the best lawyers in the world, they can't protect him from himself," Epner explained.
Attorney Teri Kanefield suggested that Trump's lawyers not only can't protect him, but can only get themselves in trouble.
"Trump hires lawyers to do his bidding (not give him legal advice) and this tends to get his lawyers into trouble," Kanefield wrote.
Tristan Snell, who prosecuted Trump University at the New York Attorney General's Office, wrote, "At this point, any lawyer who works with Trump is fully aware of the risks and should know they’re risking disbarment — if not indictment."
"Trump's lawyers always end up needing lawyers," he added.
"Two lawyers for former President Donald J. Trump are likely to become witnesses or targets in the investigation into how he hoarded documents marked as classified at Mar-a-Lago, his Florida estate — and secretly held onto some even after the lawyers claimed all sensitive materials had been returned, legal specialists said.
The lawyers, M. Evan Corcoran and Christina Bobb, handled Mr. Trump’s interactions with the government over a subpoena in May seeking additional material marked as classified. In a court filing late Tuesday, the Justice Department strongly suggested that people in Mr. Trump’s circle concealed documents in defiance of that subpoena, putting a spotlight on the lawyers’ actions."
Corcoran and Bobb weren't the only attorney's implicated in DOJ's late-night filing.
"Just six days before the Justice Department subpoenaed to recover highly sensitive documents housed at Mar-a-Lago, one of Former President Donald Trump’s attorneys scoured the estate searching for records in response to a separate legal matter. The attorney, Alina Habba, told a New York State court that on May 5, she conducted a search of Trump’s private residence and office at Mar-a-Lago that was so 'diligent' it included “all desks, drawers, nightstands, dressers, closets, etc.” She was looking for records in response to a subpoena issued by New York Attorney General Letitia James, who is investigating matters related to the Trump Organization."
Trump attorneys weren't just facing scrutiny in Florida and New York on Wednesday, but also in Georgia.
"John Eastman, the lawyer who developed strategies to block certification of the 2020 election, is 'probably a target' in the criminal investigation into efforts to overturn Donald J. Trump’s election loss in Georgia, one of Mr. Eastman’s lawyers said on Wednesday. Mr. Eastman spent the morning appearing before an Atlanta special grand jury looking into the matter," The New York Times reported.
Attorney Bradley Moss concluded, "Trump simply has the worst lawyers."
Conservative political scientist expert Norm Ornstein predicted Trump lawyers will find themselves incarcerated.
But the legal liability facing Trump's lawyers could put additional pressure on Attorney General Merrick Garland to prosecute Trump, according to former acting Solicitor General Katyal.
"It would be a betrayal of the rule of law for only Trump’s lawyers to go to jail, and not the client himself," Katyal wrote. "I do not see how DOJ can look the other way."
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MAGA = Make Attorneys Get Attorneys
Red
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Please don’t think for one second that I was not fully aware from the get-go of a trap you thought you were setting for me, in the first quote above. I’m certain you were hoping I would simply say “yes, of course we should have been killing fascists”. Of course, I would not have put it quite that way. I would have pointed out the US did not “set out to kill fascists”. We entered the Second World War, and fascist Italy was one of the Axis powers. We “set out” to win a war.
That said, you were hoping I would answer that “yes, we should have been killing fascists”, so that you might say, something along the lines of “aha, then you no doubt would be fine with killing Americans you identify as fascists!?” Or maybe not that demonstrative, just ask me if that means I am also fine and dandy with killing Americans I identify as fascists?
I mean, really. How stupid do you think I am, and while I’m at it, how unhinged do you think I am? Would you say to me “Red, I’ll bet you would volunteer to be a guard at a reeducation camp for American fascists”? Sorry if I ever gave you, or anyone else, the impression that I was an eager mass murderer in waiting. Sorry you’re so fearful. Your fears are misplaced. Mine are not. But I don’t expect you to be manning MAGA established internment camps.
I think Trump is a real danger to our democracy. And by simply falling in line behind him, Republicans are helping birth a fascistic movement. If they cannot oppose him without damaging their own political prospects, then almost by accident, either through open support of his lies, and promoting candidates that support a 100% lying narrative, or simply remaining silent in the face of his lies, they allow the development of a fascistic movement. They enable a Trump-led MAGA, which is very much a poison in the body politic.
I think many Republican elected officials don’t even realize what they are helping birth. They are simply trying to protect their own prospects, and are oblivious to the consequences that may result. They are in a trap, and have no idea how to exit the runaway train driven by Trump, with culture warrior DeSantis in the wings ready to assume the “own the libs, silence the woke” steamroller.
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I don't think you are stupid or unhinged and my goal was not to have you answer yes to a gotcha so obvious it could be seen from orbit. I asked the question to get you to think. Unlike most on this board, I know that you will do some introspection.
Ignoring for a moment all the economic reasons Trumpism isn't fascism, history has shown the leaders of fascist government all come to power the same way: An "emergency" is used to temporarily suspend constitutional protections and concentrate power in the hands of the executive to deal with the emergency. The executive then makes the change permanent. It is how Mussolini came to power. It is how Hitler came to power. It is how the space-nazis in Star Wars came to power.
By far, the biggest threat to bringing about fascism in the United States is California Governor Gavin Newsom who used the emergency of COVID to practically dissolve the legislative branch. Even left-leaning publications were questioning it.
How long will Newsom have one-man rule?
Gov. Gavin Newsom has been governing under an emergency decree, but one judge says he's crossed the line by ignoring state laws.
calmatters.org
Even rulings by the California Supreme Court that Newsome didn't like were simply overridden.
I believe there is a high probability that Gavin Newsom will be the next President of the United States and you will cheer it. I do not believe Biden is fascist, but I do think his executive order writing off student loan debt will be used and built upon. The crowd will cheer the centralization of power just as they are cheering the unilateral action to erase student loan debt. The crowds always do. Trump isn't the threat. Trump is the distraction.
I don't think you are stupid or unhinged and my goal was not to have you answer yes to a gotcha so obvious it could be seen from orbit. I asked the question to get you to think. Unlike most on this board, I know that you will do some introspection.
Ignoring for a moment all the economic reasons Trumpism isn't fascism, history has shown the leaders of fascist government all come to power the same way: An "emergency" is used to temporarily suspend constitutional protections and concentrate power in the hands of the executive to deal with the emergency. The executive then makes the change permanent. It is how Mussolini came to power. It is how Hitler came to power. It is how the space-nazis in Star Wars came to power.
By far, the biggest threat to bringing about fascism in the United States is California Governor Gavin Newsom who used the emergency of COVID to practically dissolve the legislative branch. Even left-leaning publications were questioning it.
How long will Newsom have one-man rule?
Gov. Gavin Newsom has been governing under an emergency decree, but one judge says he's crossed the line by ignoring state laws.
Even rulings by the California Supreme Court that Newsome didn't like were simply overridden.
I believe there is a high probability that Gavin Newsom will be the next President of the United States and you will cheer it. I do not believe Biden is fascist, but I do think his executive order writing off student loan debt will be used and built upon. The crowd will cheer the centralization of power just as they are cheering the unilateral action to erase student loan debt. The crowds always do. Trump isn't the threat. Trump is the distraction.
How have the people of California survived this tyranny?
Al-O-Meter
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By leaving. Both businesses and people are leaving California. For more than a century before Newsom came to power, California had never seen a decrease in population in any year. Since 2020, even when figuring in all the people who flood over the southern border illegally, California is losing people.
Red
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One of his lawyers said yesterday that Trump often entertained guests in that office. I imagine him keeping three top secret docs in his desk draw in order to show his guests. I guess I don’t trust the man much….
www.nbcnews.com
Trump's seized passports could be a problem for him, legal experts say
In a court filing Tuesday night, federal prosecutors said the passports were in a desk drawer that also held classified documents and are "relevant evidence."
www.nbcnews.com
Immigration is also down in California, feeding into the loss of population.
Meanwhile, population growth has also slowed in Texas and Florida, when figuring in all the people who flood over the southern border illegally. I guess those governors must also be threats to bring about fascism in the US.
Definition of FASCISM
a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible… See the full definition
www.merriam-webster.com
Trumpism is certainly fascist in every other respect (exalts nation and often race above the individual, centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition), and the trade protections and immigration restrictions are fascistic. So, he's 95% fascist. Doesn't seem like a strong objection for you.