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BabyPeterzz said:
I'm not going to argue your interpretation of government accountability. I'm steeped in it everyday and have first hand knowledge of process and procedure. I'm sorry you have to wait in line at the post office and that has shaped your entire view of public accountability. It's very misguided to take your personal experience with one of the lowest levels of government and apply that across the board. Although, it is nice to hear you receive excellent customer service at your local grocery store.
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Living through 8 years of Bush does not make me want the government to grow and become even more centralized. Srsly it's such a huge flaw in liberal thinking. The government gets bigger and then look who ends up running the damn thing. If Trump somehow wins I think you're going to regret your support for the state.
 
BabyPeterzz said:
I'm not going to argue your interpretation of government accountability. I'm steeped in it everyday and have first hand knowledge of process and procedure. I'm sorry you have to wait in line at the post office and that has shaped your entire view of public accountability. It's very misguided to take your personal experience with one of the lowest levels of government and apply that across the board. Although, it is nice to hear you receive excellent customer service at your local grocery store.
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Lol. You asked me for examples. I gave examples that every person in this country has first-hand experience with. What do you do for the government?
 
BabyPeterzz said:
Cool, please expound.
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Federal employment for almost 15 years. I could go on for days. Employees are nearly unfireable (even with open refusal to perform assigned tasks), policies are made by people with no front line experience in how they affect people in real time, higher ups are completely inaccessible to the public, inconsistent policies abound (such as ID requirements), anonymous nature of federal employees anywhere but in local offices, dramatic waste of financial resources by people that are simply unreachable and unknown, confusing nature of different departments within an agency (despite overlapping duties), advancement/promotion past anything in a local office is based on who you know more than experience and what you know...
 
♪alt13 said:
Living through 8 years of Bush does not make me want the government to grow and become even more centralized. Srsly it's such a huge flaw in liberal thinking. The government gets bigger and then look who ends up running the damn thing. If Trump somehow wins I think you're going to regret your support for the state.
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Where did I say I think the gov needs to grow and become more centralized? I think you're confused, or just projecting what you want to hear. I think the public's fear and suspicion of government is what makes it so inefficient. While public accountability is important, it makes getting work done so difficult it almost defeats the purpose. My complaint is with those who complain that government is slow and inefficient and then go on to say it can't be trusted. The protections we've put in place to make government fully accountable is what makes it slow.
 
Stoked said:
Federal employment for almost 15 years. I could go on for days. Employees are nearly unfireable (even with open refusal to perform assigned tasks), policies are made by people with no front line experience in how they affect people in real time, higher ups are completely inaccessible to the public, inconsistent policies abound (such as ID requirements), anonymous nature of federal employees anywhere but in local offices, dramatic waste of financial resources by people that are simply unreachable and unknown, confusing nature of different departments within an agency (despite overlapping duties), advancement/promotion past anything in a local office is based on who you know more than experience and what you know...
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Yeah, I could never and will never work for the feds. In fact, i pity those that do. You should quit.

EDIT: Although, to be fair, I know some very skilled, talented, and hard working federal employees too.
 
BabyPeterzz said:
Yeah, I could never and will never work for the feds. In fact, i pity those that do. You should quit.
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That's the spirit. Stop acting like you want a discussion when you respond with trash like this.

Have a good day BP
 
BabyPeterzz said:
Where did I say I think the gov needs to grow and become more centralized? I think you're confused, or just projecting what you want to hear. I think the public's fear and suspicion of government is what makes it so inefficient. While public accountability is important, it makes getting work done so difficult it almost defeats the purpose. My complaint is with those who complain that government is slow and inefficient and then go on to say it can't be trusted. The protections we've put in place to make government fully accountable is what makes it slow.
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What is your position? or do you just like complaining about complainers?
 
♪alt13 said:
What is your position? or do you just like complaining about complainers?
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I love to complain about complainers, it's all I got. I'm a public employee, all I listen to is people complain all day. It's great. The price of public service, I guess.

I think there are a few solutions, but I'm not smart enough to know what must be done to bring about systematic change.

Public-Private partnerships go a long way to fixing a lot of these issues, and this happens all the time. But, again using public money increases costs and slows down the process. So finding private partners who are willing to take on the pain in the *** that the public is is difficult.

Empowering local governments with more funding and resources would go a long way as well. The feds, and State's to some degree, do not have the on-the-ground experience and expertise to fully address issues in a strategic and effective way. Giving them the resources required would get a lot more work done.

It's my day off and I'm talking about work. I'll leave this conversation here.
 
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