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Donovan and Rudy selected last for all-stars

I dislike the league trending towards player-control. I dislike KD and Lebron acting like elementary school bullies. I resent the absence of attention and the fact that we clearly don't get help from the refs. And I LOVE LOVE LOVE the Jazz. But if I take my homer hat off, a few things seem pretty undeniable to me:
1. Even I, a diehard, don't have a ton of faith that we'll go past the 2nd round. The recent losses to good teams at full strength have done nothing to bolster that confidence. They have to prove it in the post-season, pure and simple.
2. Crying about the calls and the lack of respect and the All-Star ********* will not help. Maybe it shines a spotlight on the refs briefly and makes them acutely aware of any bias, real or perceived, but that, if taken too far, can quickly backfire.
3. I think Rudy Gobert is a really good defensive presence, and I like him. I think his personality is misunderstood, and as far as foreign-born players go, I think he's much more likable than that punk Joel Embiid. Having said that, I think he actually does get a pass on a lot of fouls because the NBA likes the idea of the "Stifle Tower." I really do. I think he fouls quite a bit more than the calls would suggest. And second, he just sucks against people like Towns, Jocic, AD and Embiid. He just sucks. So does he make an enormous difference against run-of-the-mill players? Yeah. Does he provide excellent help defense? Hell yeah. Can he shut down superstar centers? Rarely. He's got a strange, niche skillset, and we're maximizing it. And that's great. But I wish people would stop pretending he's something he's not.
 
actusreus said:
I dislike the league trending towards player-control. I dislike KD and Lebron acting like elementary school bullies. I resent the absence of attention and the fact that we clearly don't get help from the refs. And I LOVE LOVE LOVE the Jazz. But if I take my homer hat off, a few things seem pretty undeniable to me:
1. Even I, a diehard, don't have a ton of faith that we'll go past the 2nd round. The recent losses to good teams at full strength have done nothing to bolster that confidence. They have to prove it in the post-season, pure and simple.
2. Crying about the calls and the lack of respect and the All-Star ********* will not help. Maybe it shines a spotlight on the refs briefly and makes them acutely aware of any bias, real or perceived, but that, if taken too far, can quickly backfire.
3. I think Rudy Gobert is a really good defensive presence, and I like him. I think his personality is misunderstood, and as far as foreign-born players go, I think he's much more likable than that punk Joel Embiid. Having said that, I think he actually does get a pass on a lot of fouls because the NBA likes the idea of the "Stifle Tower." I really do. I think he fouls quite a bit more than the calls would suggest. And second, he just sucks against people like Towns, Jocic, AD and Embiid. He just sucks. So does he make an enormous difference against run-of-the-mill players? Yeah. Does he provide excellent help defense? Hell yeah. Can he shut down superstar centers? Rarely. He's got a strange, niche skillset, and we're maximizing it. And that's great. But I wish people would stop pretending he's something he's not.
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So Locke had a good breakdown on this... boils down to - They are either kinda bullying our dudes and just making fun of Utah... or there is a perceived threat and they are trying to say "nah you ain't in our league".

I am sure these guys will add a little fuel to the fire.
 
So someone had mentioned earlier, in this thread or another, how maybe this brings Donovan and Rudy closer. I do think there's a good opportunity for that. Previously, Gobert did all the dirty work with little recognition, and generally wasn't liked by the league. Donovan came on the scene with a lot of lights on him and getting a lot of pub. With a few years going by, and Donovan seeing that the media is eager to shine some of that light elsewhere, I think things like this can be a wakeup call where you wonder why you're trying to be in a club like this, and one can further embrace their roots and prove themselves against the grain.

I think part of Donovan would like to be in the club, but now that he's starting to see it from this angle and being pushed to the outside (not just this issue, but the disrespect the team is getting for being comfortably the best record in the league), I think is enough to really question one's desire to fit in to that fraternity rather than blazing one's own trail.
 
I'm telling yall how hilarious would it be if Rudy is salty and comes in just goes hard. Few blocks... hard fouls at the rim... just screams "Nothing EASY!" after every time he blocks or fouls someone. Becomes the only player to foul out in the first half. Sets the tone for the Bad Boy Jazz.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I'm telling yall how hilarious would it be if Rudy is salty and comes in just goes hard. Few blocks... hard fouls at the rim... just screams "Nothing EASY!" after every time he blocks or fouls someone. Becomes the only player to foul out in the first half. Sets the tone for the Bad Boy Jazz.
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We really need to sign Ron Artest. Does he have any legs left?

"They better not put me in the All-Star Game. I won't shoot, but I'll dominate that easy game. I'll be playing hard defense. I'll be foulin'. I'll be flagrant fouling. Everyone will be like, 'What are you doing?'"
 
infection said:
We really need to sign Ron Artest. Does he have any legs left?

"They better not put me in the All-Star Game. I won't shoot, but I'll dominate that easy game. I'll be playing hard defense. I'll be foulin'. I'll be flagrant fouling. Everyone will be like, 'What are you doing?'"
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Nah but Bogut likely could give us 3 minutes of hard fouls. He’d prolly love that role.

We still need one *******. DM could take a KD type heel turn and be that guy. Ideally it’s a guy that isn’t so important to your team if he gets thrown out. Jae was basically perfect. Should have kept him around just for that.
 
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