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SoberasHotRod said:
I'm curious how the passing versatility stat is calculated?
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It's the uniqueness of passes....which means different types of passes (passes to cuts, roll man, drive and kick etc.) and different locations. It doesn't surprise me that the Jazz are low because there are almost zero passes to the mid range (by design) and we don't have much all off ball action. Almost all of our offense starts in PnR, where we either pass to the big, kick out to a shooter, or the ball hander shoots the shot. It's not really surprising in that we rank low here, but it doesn't mean we're necessarily bad at passing. We just don't throw a wide variety of passes. In their overall playmaking grade the Jazz rank 7th despite being last place in versatility.
 
I thought Don molded his game to Dwade? so he needs a Mario Chalmer type pg running mate. I dont know if he can really be a facilitator PG.
As much as i like Conley he has proven time and time again that he is just a regular season guy. Top notch stats, very efficient, borderline allstar, then come playoffs time he become invisible. 0 points, travelling on a playoff game. teams just put a long defender on Conley then he shrinks. if he can't deliver then he takes Rudy's offense down with him. when Jazz traded for him everybody labelled us Championship bound, it was glorious time to be a jazz fan. fast forward, we are still the same. If all Conley bring us is regular season goodies, then we don't need him. We need playoff caliber players.
 
KqWIN said:
I don’t really care about what position he plays, it’s just a label. Historically he has had much higher usage but kept the same efficiency, which is good, but that doesn’t have to do anything with the “position” he’s playing. It’s who he’s sharing the court with.

I think it’s important that Don can play with at least one more creator, it’s tough in this league to get by with just one creator on the court. It’s also very important that Don plays with someone who can guard wings if we intend to continue to allow him to be a zero defense player.

PS: for all your stats needs go to pbpstats.com
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IMO it's more important defensively than offensively. We've seen Donovan can be the primary offensive creator to a good offense. The problem is when he shares the floor with another small guard defensively. Now ideally if you replace Conley you would get a wing who can defend but also has some offensive initiator traits(in essence we need younger Joe Ingles). Unfortunately, those are really rare and expensive so... we will have to pick and choose what path we go. There are no perfect solutions in the situation we are in now.
 
jom2003 said:
It can work as long as we install a point forward like Jingles or a playmaking big man like prime Diaw. Split the ball handling duties. Let Donovan focus more on attacking the rim and worry less about running the offense. Like how Celtics makes the Final with Smart at the point.
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Offer the Spurs Rudy for Murray and Potel so Quin can be reunited w/him next year.
 
stitches said:
IMO it's more important defensively than offensively. We've seen Donovan can be the primary offensive creator to a good offense. The problem is when he shares the floor with another small guard defensively. Now ideally if you replace Conley you would get a wing who can defend but also has some offensive initiator traits(in essence we need younger Joe Ingles). Unfortunately, those are really rare and expensive so... we will have to pick and choose what path we go. There are no perfect solutions in the situation we are in now.
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It’s not really important that a secondary creator is his backcourt partner, but I think any team needs a second creator. Not Donovan specific…but it’s really important.

The defense is Donovan specific, so I get your point. It just amazes me how we allowed him to completely remove himself from that end of the floor.

Quin was beloved by his players, but it’s clear he was some what of a people pleaser and Don’s attitude towards the defensive end was a sacrifice for the loyalty Don showed Quin throughout.
 
KqWIN said:
It’s not really important that a secondary creator is his backcourt partner, but I think any team needs a second creator. Not Donovan specific…but it’s really important.

The defense is Donovan specific, so I get your point. It just amazes me how we allowed him to completely remove himself from that end of the floor.

Quin was beloved by his players, but it’s clear he was some what of a people pleaser and Don’s attitude towards the defensive end was a sacrifice for the loyalty Don showed Quin throughout.
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I'm on the record that IMO the biggest mistake of this team's FO and Quin made was their failure to back up Gobert when he demanded defensive accountability from his perimeter teammates and instead of their full support he got a cold shoulder and "we shouldn't air our dirty laundry" type of response. None of them have played any sort of defense since. It's all been 100% reliance on Rudy to cover for everyone else on the team defensively. It's so weird because Quin has actually done it before - he's benched players and refused to play them for not giving effort. He played freaking rookie Dante Exum 82 game only so he wouldn't have to play Trey Burke. They just completely failed to demand any sort of responsibility on one side of the court from not just Donovan, but most of the rest of perimeter defenders. You are never going to achieve anything of substance in this leage when 7 of 9 players in the playoff rotation, just refuse to even try to stay in front of their man or even make a simple rotation on the perimeter. It's just not going to happen, no matter if you have the most outstanding defender of the generation or not.
 
stitches said:
I'm on the record that IMO the biggest mistake of this team's FO and Quin made was their failure to back up Gobert when he demanded defensive accountability from his perimeter teammates and instead of their full support he got a cold shoulder and "we shouldn't air our dirty laundry" type of response. None of them have played any sort of defense since. It's all been 100% reliance on Rudy to cover for everyone else on the team defensively. It's so weird because Quin has actually done it before - he's benched players and refused to play them for not giving effort. He played freaking rookie Dante Exum 82 game only so he wouldn't have to play Trey Burke. They just completely failed to demand any sort of responsibility on one side of the court from not just Donovan, but most of the rest of perimeter defenders. You are never going to achieve anything of substance in this leage when 7 of 9 players in the playoff rotation, just refuse to even try to stay in front of their man or even make a simple rotation on the perimeter. It's just not going to happen, no matter if you have the most outstanding defender of the generation or not.
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The biggest issue is we swapped out any good defenders we had for shooters
 
stitches said:
I'm on the record that IMO the biggest mistake of this team's FO and Quin made was their failure to back up Gobert when he demanded defensive accountability from his perimeter teammates and instead of their full support he got a cold shoulder and "we shouldn't air our dirty laundry" type of response. None of them have played any sort of defense since. It's all been 100% reliance on Rudy to cover for everyone else on the team defensively. It's so weird because Quin has actually done it before - he's benched players and refused to play them for not giving effort. He played freaking rookie Dante Exum 82 game only so he wouldn't have to play Trey Burke. They just completely failed to demand any sort of responsibility on one side of the court from not just Donovan, but most of the rest of perimeter defenders. You are never going to achieve anything of substance in this leage when 7 of 9 players in the playoff rotation, just refuse to even try to stay in front of their man or even make a simple rotation on the perimeter. It's just not going to happen, no matter if you have the most outstanding defender of the generation or not.
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Because he embraced Clarkson. He did that and it opened up pandora's box.
 
YoungJefe said:
Don needs to be paired with a PG like Haliburton, Lonzo, or Murray.
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If Lonzo could stay healthy he is exactly what we need next to Donovan. That is why I wanted Brogdon when we went after Conley. A big play-making PG or combo guard who can create and play off the ball when needed and plays decent defense. That would elevate us by itself. If we kept the team exactly as it is and swapped Conley for Ball it would elevate us a tier.
 
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