Donovan Mitchell unlikely to ask for trade per ESPN’s Brian Windhorst

[KqWIN]

THEY HAVE DONE IT BEFORE. IT IMPROVES THE VALUE OF THE PICK... AND THEY GET A SECOND FOR IT.... LOL.

It's Herro, 3 picks, 3 swaps, Duncan and Jovic (Strus, Vincent, Yurtseven are likely on the table). Its not the "make me move" price. Its an offer on your house that is clearly for sale that is 10K below list price... but we are pretending the house isn't for sale while the moving trucks are in the driveway.

In this scenario, it does not improve the pick. 2026 Heat first is better than 2025. No question about it. The last time they did this, the Thunder got a more valuable pick it’s not the same.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

In this scenario, it does not improve the pick. 2026 Heat first is better than 2025. No question about it. The last time they did this, the Thunder got a more valuable pick it’s not the same.

How is it better? Miami is gonna be a lotto team in 2025 that means that OKC passed up a lotto pick because it falls in the restrictions... if Miami is not a lotto team they get the same pick they would have otherwise... for it to be better you'd be assuming they are a lotto team two years in a row. Sure.

 

[KqWIN]

Just because Minnesota massively overpaid for Gobert doesn’t mean someone else will for Mitchell just saying.

Herro
Jovic
23/27/29 unprotected 1sts
24/26/28 pick swap 1sts

I don’t think that is a bad deal at all. That’s a lot for Mitchell. Dejounte Murray went for a protected 2023 1st, 25/27 unprotected picks and a 2026 pick swap.

It was stupid to say we don’t care about 2nd rounders because we didn’t receive any in the Gobert trade. Its not like receiving 3 firsts and one second would have improved my point lol. You had a problem with me saying the Heat draft assets are limited, and they are. They are restricted on the firsts they can trade, they also do not have their seconds. It’s clear as day.

PS….you conveniently left out Duncan Robinson.

 

[KqWIN]

How is it better? Miami is gonna be a lotto team in 2025 that means that OKC passed up a lotto pick because it falls in the restrictions... if Miami is not a lotto team they get the same pick they would have otherwise... for it to be better you'd be assuming they are a lotto team two years in a row. Sure.

Who is the guy you are helping they trade for, when does his contract end. Do you consider what if scenarios that aren’t completely skewed one direction in your favor. Surely you can see the other side of this.

You can’t possibly think MIA is guaranteed to be a lottery team in 2025 btw lol. Come on now.

 

[Elizah Huge]

How is it better? Miami is gonna be a lotto team in 2025 that means that OKC passed up a lotto pick because it falls in the restrictions... if Miami is not a lotto team they get the same pick they would have otherwise... for it to be better you'd be assuming they are a lotto team two years in a row. Sure.

That is actually really true… you’re smart.

 

[Elizah Huge]

I don’t think anyone is disputing a deal from the Knicks of Barrett plus all of their picks and pick swaps isn’t better I don’t think that is on the table or else we likely would have taken it already.

 

[Elizah Huge]

How much better and how much more is Mitchell worth than Murray?

Is he an extra first and two first round pick swaps better? Is he that plus Herro better?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Who is the guy you are helping they trade for, when does his contract end. Do you consider what if scenarios that aren’t completely skewed one direction in your favor. Surely you can see the other side of this.

You can’t possibly think MIA is guaranteed to be a lottery team in 2025 btw lol. Come on now.

Huh? So if we don't trade them Donovan they will be a lotto team in 2025 and 2026 which is what would have to happen for them to get a lotto pick currently.

If they amend protections and make it unprotected and Miami is a lotto team in 2025 they get a lotto pick... it is likely a pick in the 20s as of right now whether they do the Donovan trade or not. It has less upside though.

I know this is a crazy concept but removing protections increases risk of loss... so OKC becomes the beneficiary of the removal of those protections. They also get cash or a second rounder to do so (btw if you tank you can collect infinity second round picks so I'm not worried about which teams have second rounders).

 

[fishonjazz]

I mean maybe... but we going to need to keep good players around Donovan right?

why?

 

[KqWIN]

Huh? So if we don't trade them Donovan they will be a lotto team in 2025 and 2026 which is what would have to happen for them to get a lotto pick currently.

If they amend protections and make it unprotected and Miami is a lotto team in 2025 they get a lotto pick... it is likely a pick in the 20s as of right now whether they do the Donovan trade or not. It has less upside though.

I know this is a crazy concept but removing protections increases risk of loss... so OKC becomes the beneficiary of the removal of those protections. They also get cash or a second rounder to do so (btw if you tank you can collect infinity second round picks so I'm not worried about which teams have second rounders).

OK, so I did miscalculate there. I’ll apologize for that one. I still don’t believe it’s the same situation as OKC previously amending the protections. And as I’ve said before, I still don’t think 2023/2027/2029 is a good enough deal to accept right now. I’d feel very confident in getting a better offer in the future.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Just so everyone is clear... the Heat owe a 2025 lotto protected pick to OKC... it would be unprotected in 2026 if it falls in the protections. They could easily change those protections to make it unprotected in 2025 by working with OKC. OR they could send us picks and swaps with language assuming that pick has been conveyed. Since most people assume that pick would be in the 20s that is an alternative deal structure but it adds risk on our end.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

why?

If you put garbage around him then it won't make him happy or look good. Our record will be rough... I'm not sure its a great situation to get cooperation from your star that you are "building around".