Donovan Mitchell unlikely to ask for trade per ESPN’s Brian Windhorst

[Handlogten's Heros]

There is also a ceiling on how much draft capital a team can give you. Teams can give you their whole draft and the Knicks have some extra picks... but those picks are protected and likely to either not convey or be late firsts. We gonna put a hold on the rebuild to get a few of those? We can get those anyway.

 

[Elizah Huge]

There is also a ceiling on how much draft capital a team can give you. Teams can give you their whole draft and the Knicks have some extra picks... but those picks are protected and likely to either not convey or be late firsts. We gonna put a hold on the rebuild to get a few of those? We can get those anyway.

Most Knicks fans said they’d rather give Barrett a max extension than deal Barrett and their picks for Mitchell. I’d likely say at least a couple guys in the front office might think that way too.

 

[NUMBERICA]

In addition to injury... I have some concern because the guy does so much damage as pick and roll ball handler... and currently he has no good pick and roll partner... and he just lost one of the best in the league. There is some exposure there... his spot up shooting could improve... but if we sell off the other good parts who will set him up for those?

I think this is insanely prescient.

 

[KqWIN]

Some of that 20% is bad decisions related... or win now decisions (which is easy to say but will be tough to do). The other big part of that is improvement of our pick in 2023. Donovan will help us win more and push us to the middle. A top 4 pick next year is likely more valuable than Donovan in a trade. With Donovan and garbage we end up maybe around 9/10 ish.

They won't do that though... sell off all the vets and tell Don "tough ******* play good so we can trade you". They will keep some of the good players around or make a few moves to round out the roster or trade Bogey/Mike for more win-now oriented moves. Instead of using TPEs to collect unwanted contracts maybe they try and add some fringe additions that fill in rotation spots. Instead of rolling with Udoka and Kessler to get them development time they go find a plumlee.

Its a give and take... saying we can split the baby and still get the best of both worlds is fun but not practical. We won't simultaneously dismantle the roster and keep Donovan.

If you're willing to trade Don, I have no idea why you're not willing to trade the other vets. If you're worried about winning too many games, that is also very easily solved. And as I've said many times before, there's no real benefit to tanking now versus later. I don't care if we start sucking now or later. You don't gain more from tanking faster. If you get a top 5 pick now instead of a 12, somewhere down the line you're going to have a 12 instead of a 5 because you started earlier.

I do think we ultimately trade Don this summer, however, and just like the Rudy trade I think people will be surprised with what we get.....if this MIA deal is what we're expecting to get that is. I just know I'd be upset if we settled and traded for 80% of Don. I think when other buyers feel threatened by fomo and losing out on Don, they will offer up more. NYK and BKN (after KD/Kyrie) have the same/more incentive to trade for Don and will have the means to outbid MIA and I think they will. This MIA offer just isn't a very strong offer. 80% is fairly appropriate IMO, and I think you have to be confident enough to be able to get 80% later on if you pass up on this offer.

 

[TheStormofWar]

Go get Dame?

 

[Gameface]

Go get Dame?

That idea is a good 2 seasons past its prime.

 

[fishonjazz]

Go get Dame?

No thanks. Its a fun idea and would be fun to watch and we would be pretty good.... but not good enough. Too tiny

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

If you're willing to trade Don, I have no idea why you're not willing to trade the other vets. If you're worried about winning too many games, that is also very easily solved. And as I've said many times before, there's no real benefit to tanking now versus later. I don't care if we start sucking now or later. You don't gain more from tanking faster. If you get a top 5 pick now instead of a 12, somewhere down the line you're going to have a 12 instead of a 5 because you started earlier.

This isn't really how it works at all. If you keep Don you won't sell of all the other parts. If you do that and keep Don it would put him in a horrible spot. Like we are just gonna pretend he isn't on the roster and go full OKC with Don? And then his value magically increases when we put him in a horrible spot?

You do gain a benefit from tanking faster. It isn't this yin and yang thing where we will get a balance of the same types of picks. Look at San Antonio... they hung out in the middle and now get to do a tear down. They have some decent guys but will be on the same timeline as us if we started the tank. You only have to tank until you get your elite talent... you aren't guaranteed to have a treadmill year where you draft 12th at the end of the tank.

Then there is also the impatience aspect of this... enjoying a treadmill season then going into the tank elongates the process and fans/owners start to get impatient the longer it goes. Its gonna hurt... no need to make it longer than it needs to be.

 

[NUMBERICA]

In addition to injury... I have some concern because the guy does so much damage as pick and roll ball handler... and currently he has no good pick and roll partner... and he just lost one of the best in the league. There is some exposure there... his spot up shooting could improve... but if we sell off the other good parts who will set him up for those?

This honestly makes me want to bite on whatever is determined to be the best package before the season starts. If the Jazz suck and Don gets exposed, his value takes a real dive.

 

[Pinhead]

If you're willing to trade Don, I have no idea why you're not willing to trade the other vets. If you're worried about winning too many games, that is also very easily solved. And as I've said many times before, there's no real benefit to tanking now versus later. I don't care if we start sucking now or later. You don't gain more from tanking faster. If you get a top 5 pick now instead of a 12, somewhere down the line you're going to have a 12 instead of a 5 because you started earlier.

I do think we ultimately trade Don this summer, however, and just like the Rudy trade I think people will be surprised with what we get.....if this MIA deal is what we're expecting to get that is. I just know I'd be upset if we settled and traded for 80% of Don. I think when other buyers feel threatened by fomo and losing out on Don, they will offer up more. NYK and BKN (after KD/Kyrie) have the same/more incentive to trade for Don and will have the means to outbid MIA and I think they will. This MIA offer just isn't a very strong offer. 80% is fairly appropriate IMO, and I think you have to be confident enough to be able to get 80% later on if you pass up on this offer.

Except that draft classes aren’t always equal, and 2023 is supposed to be one of the better drafts. So delaying to even the trade deadline may cost us several spots.

 

[Elizah Huge]

If you're willing to trade Don, I have no idea why you're not willing to trade the other vets. If you're worried about winning too many games, that is also very easily solved. And as I've said many times before, there's no real benefit to tanking now versus later. I don't care if we start sucking now or later. You don't gain more from tanking faster. If you get a top 5 pick now instead of a 12, somewhere down the line you're going to have a 12 instead of a 5 because you started earlier.

I do think we ultimately trade Don this summer, however, and just like the Rudy trade I think people will be surprised with what we get.....if this MIA deal is what we're expecting to get that is. I just know I'd be upset if we settled and traded for 80% of Don. I think when other buyers feel threatened by fomo and losing out on Don, they will offer up more. NYK and BKN (after KD/Kyrie) have the same/more incentive to trade for Don and will have the means to outbid MIA and I think they will. This MIA offer just isn't a very strong offer. 80% is fairly appropriate IMO, and I think you have to be confident enough to be able to get 80% later on if you pass up on this offer.

There is a huge benefit to tanking now and starting now. The 2023 draft has the best draft prospect since LeBron and the best PG prospect since Rose.

 

[LoPo]

Except that draft classes aren’t always equal, and 2023 is supposed to be one of the better drafts. So delaying to even the trade deadline may cost us several spots.

If we absolutely love somebody high in the draft, we have the ability to go get them. We have Donovan, 3 2023 1st round picks and future draft capital and cap space next summer.