Donovan Mitchell unlikely to ask for trade per ESPN’s Brian Windhorst

[KqWIN]

Correct... but the saying goes a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. I think Brooklyn, NY, and Miami are all willing to do a Donovan deal right now, but maybe at different price points.

Comparing a Knicks package of 4 unprotected firsts, Quickly, Toppin, and likely some unsavory salary in Fournier (slightly less negative than Duncan)... I just don't think its that far off and IF the heat deal was in my hand that has real value.

With every deal we pass up there is an opportunity cost you must factor in... you might think a better deal comes along but it doesn't and a replacement deal is absolutely not guaranteed. There will also be carrying costs to keeping Donovan... and maybe it all washes out and you do way better but you can't deny risk of loss and opportunity costs.

If you take this deal, the opportunity cost is any other deal you could have had. It goes both ways. There are potential downsides of taking this deal right now and you can’t deny those either.

Ultimately it comes down to whether or not you think this Heat deal is the best we can do….for me that is a clear no. If this is the best we can get for Mitchell I’d be very surprised. If you love Herro you might feel differently, but Robinson alone negates a lot of the draft capital you’re getting which is limited and not high quality to begin with.

 

[Elizah Huge]

If you take this deal, the opportunity cost is any other deal you could have had. It goes both ways. There are potential downsides of taking this deal right now and you can’t deny those either.

Ultimately it comes down to whether or not you think this Heat deal is the best we can do….for me that is a clear no. If this is the best we can get for Mitchell I’d be very surprised. If you love Herro you might feel differently, but Robinson alone negates a lot of the draft capital you’re getting which is limited and not high quality to begin with.

3 unprotected 1sts and 3 pick swaps 1sts including their 1st rounder this year (Jovic) is hardly limited draft capital.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

If you take this deal, the opportunity cost is any other deal you could have had. It goes both ways. There are potential downsides of taking this deal right now and you can’t deny those either.

Ultimately it comes down to whether or not you think this Heat deal is the best we can do….for me that is a clear no. If this is the best we can get for Mitchell I’d be very surprised. If you love Herro you might feel differently, but Robinson alone negates a lot of the draft capital you’re getting which is limited and not high quality to begin with.

For sure... but I'm not saying we can't do better... we might do better. You are saying... "nah this deal is there later nbd". Thats the difference.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Umm…yeah hard disagree. I do think how you rate a guy factors into this. Especially if you’re considering scenarios where things change drastically. If you’re weighing the potential that Herro gets immensely better, you don’t do that blind you do that with consideration and how likely you think that is to occur. If I’m not a high on a player, I’m not motivated to trade for him because I could be wrong.

Herro could turn into Michael Jordan. That doesn’t mean I trade for him valued at Michael Jordan. You’ve got to factor in how likely that is lmao.

Herro isn't the one that has to get immensely better... it would be Quickly and Toppin that have to get better. He makes a slight jump and he's an all-star level player. I really think no one has actually looked at the numbers on the guy. #16 in per 36 scoring and #21 overall. He's basically at CJ McCollum's level currently... Quickley has to make a couple jumps before he gets to where Herro currently is... so lets factor in how likely that is lmao.

 

[KqWIN]

For sure... but I'm not saying we can't do better... we might do better. You are saying... "nah this deal is there later nbd". Thats the difference.

I think a package of this level is always going to be there for Mitchell. There’s nothing special about this package, and I do actually think the Heat themselves will have a better offer by the virtue of not having to use Robinson in a salary match next year. There’s a chance I’m wrong, but there’s also a chance that there’s a much better deal than this.

 

[KqWIN]

3 unprotected 1sts and 3 pick swaps 1sts including their 1st rounder this year (Jovic) is hardly limited draft capital.

It is by definition limited because they owe a first and their second rounder through 2027. We also cannot get 3 unprotected first. It’s 2 max because their 2025 is protected.

 

[Elizah Huge]

It is by definition limited because they owe a first and their second rounder through 2027. We also cannot get 3 unprotected first. It’s 2 max because their 2025 is protected.

Hey Sam it’s Pat… how are you? Good to hear… listen you know that 2025 1st of ours you own that’s top-14 protected? Yeah, how about you send a 2nd Utah’s way since you have a thousand of them and we will take off the protections? Sound good? Great, thanks.

 

[Bodhi]

I just have to say that imo Quickley will be a better overall player than Herro in 3 years.

Just want it on the record……..your Honor.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Hey Sam it’s Pat… how are you? Good to hear… listen you know that 2025 1st of ours you own that’s top-14 protected? Yeah, how about you send a 2nd Utah’s way since you have a thousand of them and we will take off the protections? Sound good? Great, thanks.

This type of thing has happened before... Heat actually likely give a second to do it so Presti always wins.

 

[Elizah Huge]

I just have to say that imo Quickley will be a better overall player than Herro in 3 years.

Just want it on the record……..your Honor.

You do know they’re the same age right now right? That would be some kind of leap he’d take especially when Brunson is signed for 4 years.

 

[KqWIN]

Hey Sam it’s Pat… how are you? Good to hear… listen you know that 2025 1st of ours you own that’s top-14 protected? Yeah, how about you send a 2nd Utah’s way since you have a thousand of them and we will take off the protections? Sound good? Great, thanks.

And if they say no? It’s worse for them to have 2025 unprotected first than 2026, and you have them giving up a second. Their draft capital is limited. Even in this make believe scenario, they’re still out all their seconds.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Why do we care about what salary we’re taking back in a Donovan deal? We’re going to be terrible anyways. We have tons of potential cap space next year to take on bad contracts with picks attached. Robinson’s 54M over the next 3 years should hardly be of concern. Hell, he will likely play a lot of minutes and can rehab his value very quickly. That’s not an immovable contract.