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Donovan refuses to say whether or not he wants to be in Utah moving forward

MT Steve said:
We should trade Mitchell this offseason.

Mitchell's had Gobert as a convenient scapegoat his whole career. I'm afraid his trade value will fall if we trade Gobert and then inevitably tailspin next season.
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Facts and Gobert is the better player and it's not close
 
MT Steve said:
We should trade Mitchell this offseason.

Mitchell's had Gobert as a convenient scapegoat his whole career. I'm afraid his trade value will fall if we trade Gobert and then inevitably tailspin next season.
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Yes... trade em both or keep em both.

Donovan only loses value as the shine comes off of him. With 3 years left on his deal some teams who normally won't bid on a player because he can leave might bid because there is time to convince him to stay or move him in 2 years if it doesn't work.

I'd see how the draft sets up... then I'd see what NY is willing to do... see what other teams come out of the woodwork. If the offers are good you circle back to get just a few more goodies and take the best offer out there.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Yes... trade em both or keep em both.

Donovan only loses value as the shine comes off of him. With 3 years left on his deal some teams who normally won't bid on a player because he can leave might bid because there is time to convince him to stay or move him in 2 years if it doesn't work.

I'd see how the draft sets up... then I'd see what NY is willing to do... see what other teams come out of the woodwork. If the offers are good you circle back to get just a few more goodies and take the best offer out there.
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Call the Nuggets and see if they want to deal.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Yes... trade em both or keep em both.

Donovan only loses value as the shine comes off of him. With 3 years left on his deal some teams who normally won't bid on a player because he can leave might bid because there is time to convince him to stay or move him in 2 years if it doesn't work.

I'd see how the draft sets up... then I'd see what NY is willing to do... see what other teams come out of the woodwork. If the offers are good you circle back to get just a few more goodies and take the best offer out there.
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I still don't see the reason why you have to trade both immediately if you trade one. I have zero delusions about Don being a Jazz player after his contract. It's not a possibility I factor into any of my calculations....and I still don't see why it's better for Don to be traded immediately versus one year later, for example. Let's say the Jazz trade Rudy for some kind of ATL package and John Collins (or insert any player we'd receive for Rudy) becomes a real star player. Unlikely, but not unfeasible. If you had already traded Don, you'd feel really stupid just like if you traded Gobert just because Hayward left. If the likely scenario happens and we're just mediocre, you can very easily trade Don at that point. I don't think he loses any value.

Having one star player is a stronger position than having zero because you can always trade that star player for the future assets.
 
While I agree you only trade one I think it should be the one who leaves on his own sooner than later. Trade Don while he's at top value and get some athletic players around Rudy. If it collapses again then move Rudy and start over. Keeping Don the crash is inevitable. He's gonna leave. If a more dynamic team works around Rudy we may be competitive for a few more years and we set an example for players who want to be with the franchise. Rudy's contract will obviously hamstring us, but he has been dedicated to Utah from the start and plays his heart out. Same can't always be said for Don.
 
Jazz aren't going to trade Mitchell if he asks out, or even if he throws a fit, and I don't think Mitchell is the type of guy who would take it to the point that he'd start tanking and throw a fit. Jazz will convince him to let them re-build the team around him for a season or two.

Jazz are currently in the same situation that Houston was in when Harden was being asked to do too much and he kept flaming out in the postseason. Houston made a few good moves and opened a window to contend.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Can we all just be honest with ourselves that Donovan has good reason to want out? This team isn’t gonna go anywhere but down.
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Largely due to his performance and effort on defense and all the drama and divide he caused over the last 2 years in the team.
 
KqWIN said:
I still don't see the reason why you have to trade both immediately if you trade one. I have zero delusions about Don being a Jazz player after his contract. It's not a possibility I factor into any of my calculations....and I still don't see why it's better for Don to be traded immediately versus one year later, for example. Let's say the Jazz trade Rudy for some kind of ATL package and John Collins (or insert any player we'd receive for Rudy) becomes a real star player. Unlikely, but not unfeasible. If you had already traded Don, you'd feel really stupid just like if you traded Gobert just because Hayward left. If the likely scenario happens and we're just mediocre, you can very easily trade Don at that point. I don't think he loses any value.

Having one star player is a stronger position than having zero because you can always trade that star player for the future assets.
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You don’t have to I just think it’s so much better. You trade Rudy for established win now players with low likelihood of working out and then a year later Donovan asks out… don’s value slides unless he improves because there is one year less on his deal… there’s also the chance of catastrophic injury and his value craters… but let’s say that doesn’t happen… and let’s say they win 45 games and he asks out… now you need to cash in on him, Collins, and whatever other established pieces for future facing pieces. In a Rudy trade you may have gotten a better package a year ago if you had gone the prospects and picks route.

Then you also lose out on cashing in on one or two of the established pieces already on the roster. You miss out on any value by taking on less desirable contracts… you miss out on landing a top 5 pick in a really good draft.

It has a low likelihood of working out as you stated… and even if you win say 50+ and end up in the second round… are we sure Don says he would rather stick around.

To keep its like knowing you need knee surgery on both knees… Doc says he can do both now and you rehab for 6 months… or he can do one you can rehab for 6 months then he can do the other and you can rehab for 6 months. Having one good leg might provide some quality of life that is slightly better… there is a small chance maybe the other knee doesn’t end up needing surgery… but it’s very likely at some point both knees need to be done. I’d do them both at the same time… others might not.

I can see the benefits to each path… my preference is very much to move hard in the one direction I feel is inevitable. Good luck convincing a guy to stay… good luck making moves that are simultaneously good for the franchise and appease a star player.

The best competitive path is to keep them both… the best rebuild path is to trade them both… pick a direction.
 
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