Don't Ask, Don't Tell is officially history!!

[chemdude1232]

also one thing this might bring forth is something like affirmitave action.
when say a corporation has 2 many white people. and there is a new job opening so lets say a white guy comes in has far better qualification than the black person. because of affirmitave action the guy with less qualifications gets the job. thats just WRONG right.

now lats translate this to the army.
if certain units for example the navy seals, the delta force and maybe the amrines. have STRICT qualifications. so in the next 5 years no gays will be in those units. will the army be forced to lower the qualifications for gays, maybe, maybe not. lets hope not but with the stupidity of politicians you never know cus lifes are at stake in the army.

Interesting question, actually. The answer is going to be "no." The only thing the army segregates on (and, other people, correct me if I'm wrong) is between male and female basic training. The army's requirements for various physical activities are higher for men (i.e., doing more pull-ups in 5 minutes, running a mile faster, etc.). Someone earlier in the thread pointed out, however, that women are rarely let into front-line infantry units, meaning the bulk of our actual fighters are still men. Gay or straight, a man is a man and sexual dimorphism still applies.

 

[DutchJazzer]

but why should gays not be in the military?

they have higher iq's than heterosexuals in every study i've seen.

in the army iq isnt really that important follwing orders is.

they seem to frequent the gym and therefore be in better shape than your average heterosexual.

frequenting a gym doesnt make you strong there is a misconception in this wolrd that a muscular guy knows how to fight and is stronger than say a skinny dude. maybe the muscular guy can benc press a gazzilion pounds while the skinny one cant. but in a fight it's a different story. so frequenting a gym makes you strong in one way but does not mean your strong in antoher. hope i am stating this with the correct use of words

they're use to adverse conditions having had to live gay.

as another poster said, we've gotten by just fine with a co-ed workforce.

yeah workforce so?

sorry, i wanted to go all dutch in style there. minus the numerous misspellings and grammatical errors that one usually finds in someone who's weaker-minded.

i'm honored to receive this tribute

 

[Stickler]

It's entirely clear, by the way, that the CIA killed Kennedy. Somebody start a thread so we can talk about this.

 

[KatieMCR]

One thing I want to clear up. The repeal of DADT only applies to the LGB portion of the LGBT population. It does nothing to remove the ban on transgender people serving openly in the military. That is a battle that will be fought. I can tell you from the small group of transgender people I know here locally, that a high percentage served in the military.

 

[DutchJazzer]

Again, I don't really get it. Are you saying gay guys are less phsyically fit than straight guys? Because in general, that has not been my experience.

How many gay fighters do you know. and i mean not physically fit he can run 5 miles without breaking a sweat i see those everyday. but when it comes to fighting i have yet to meet one. only know of one the guy who was on on of the season of the ultimate fighter nick ring. who is undefeated but there are rumors floating around that it was an act. to be "special" on that show

 

[chemdude1232]

in the army iq isnt really that important follwing orders is.

You're kidding. You think they let just anyone pilot F-16s? Or drive a $3 million Abrams? Do you think they'd let mentally unstable people have access to munitions that can easily level a city?

 

[DutchJazzer]

It's entirely clear, by the way, that the CIA killed Kennedy. Somebody start a thread so we can talk about this.

why dont you start with one?
thought it wasnt proven last time i checked

 

[Stickler]

I don't really know any fighters. I just know regular people.

 

[DutchJazzer]

You're kidding. You think they let just anyone pilot F-16s? Or drive a $3 million Abrams? Do you think they'd let mentally unstable people have access to munitions that can easily level a city?

ofcourse they have limitations but do you think someone with an iq of 140 0r 150 is flying an f16. or someone of 120-130 is driving a tank. no ofcourse not. just guessing avg iq. those couple of iq points that gay men have an advantage over does not matter in the army

 

[Stickler]

I guarantee you there are people with 140 IQ's driving tanks right now. Absolutely guarantee it without a doubt in my mind. 140 is remarkable, but not so much that it's remarkable. There are two people in my inner circle with IQ's that high.

Edited to add: I don't think I expressed myself very well there. But what I was getting at is that there are people from all walks of life in the military. There are infantry men with high IQ's. Life is a very mismatched thing. There are enough brilliant people going around, that it shouldn't be a surprise to encounter one in any particular job. There are bakers and handymen with 140 IQ's. etc.

You have an incredibly weird world-view, Dutch.

 

[chemdude1232]

ofcourse they have limitations but do you think someone with an iq of 140 0r 150 is flying an f16. or someone of 120-130 is driving a tank. no ofcourse not. just guessing avg iq. those couple of iq points that gay men have an advantage over does not matter in the army

I'd bet a crisp $10 bill that most of the F-16 pilots, B2 pilots, or F-22 pilots (God above, those Raptors are awesome) are a fare shake smarter than most people on Jazzfanz.

 

[KatieMCR]

Not that dutch deserves anymore response to his baseless stereotype that gay people are weak minded, but here are some interesting numbers and statements.

More than 14,000 service members have been fired under the law since 1993.

When asked about serving in a unit with a gay co-worker, the Pentagon’s Comprehensive Review Working Group (CRWG) reported that 92 percent of service members believe the unit’s “ability to work together” was “very good,” “good,” or “neither good nor poor.”

According to the GAO, as of 2003, the military had discharged more than 750 mission-critical service members and more than 320 with skills in important languages such as Arabic, Korean and Farsi (GAO, Military Personnel: Financial Costs and Loss of Critical Skills Due to DOD’s Homosexual Conduct Policy Cannot Be Completely Estimated).

Today, there are at least 66,000 gay Americans serving on active duty and one million gay veterans in the United States, according to the Williams Institute at UCLA.

Admiral Mullen told the Senate Armed Services Committee that he had served with gays since 1968.

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