Don't Ask, Don't Tell is officially history!!

[One Brow]

So it could have happened but just not the veteran who told me about being spit upon? He must have had a false memory?

I don't recall offering any specific opinion on that particular veteran's experiences.

 

[PearlWatson]

I don't recall offering any specific opinion on that particular veteran's experiences.

Let me refresh your memory.

I am perfectly willing to you know a veteran who remembers being spit upon. However, due to how human memory works, he may be remembering something that did not happen.

 

[LogGrad98]

Sorry, I was being sarcastic. Unibrow was claiming since there is no pictures of Vietnam vets getting spit on then it is a myth. I was just using his logic against him.

Yes I was hyperbolically supporting your position.

 

[PearlWatson]

Yes I was hyperbolically supporting your position.

Sheesh, I screwed that fun up.

 

[One Brow]

Let me refresh your memory.

While I did not intend and do not see any specific claim in your quote, you apparently do. I apologize for hurting your feelings in that manner.

 

[PearlWatson]

While I did not intend and do not see any specific claim in your quote, you apparently do. I apologize for hurting your feelings in that manner.

I was just amazed at the lengths of your denial.

 

[freakazoid]

Haha, in boot camp we had what was called the rikki car wash (rikki was slang for recruit). The MA (Master-at-Arms, in boot camp it's a recruit assigned to enforcing discipline in the division) standing in the center of the shower, which was two walls opposing one another with four shower heads on each, and we were supposed to keep walking, lathering up on the first side and rinsing off on the other. If someone tried to stop and engage in a "Hollywood shower" the MA would yell at them to keep moving. A shower lasted about 45 seconds. On Sundays, during holiday routine, you could take a shower when you wanted for a more reasonable amount of time.

So no, I didn't have shower stalls in boot camp. I also set several records in my post-pubescent life, one for amount of time between erections, one before I left and another when my wife visited during pass and review (graduation). The rest are basically a result of the first. They honestly keep you so stressed in boot camp that your sex drive basically turns off, at least in my own experience. Some people said they put something in the food, I thought they were saying softpeter (because that's what it was supposed to do) but come to find out they either were saying or meant to say saltpeter.

Awesome post.

+2

 

[DutchJazzer]

When they come here to kill Americans.

just a few hints: when the Philippine government finds plans to hijack airlines and fly them into high-profile targets like the WTC, Pentagon, and Whitehouse, and gives you the information, you do something about it before it happens. Don't wait until you can use it as a provocation to start a war in a country not particularly relevant to the terrorists, but very relevant to our oil cartel.

speaking of wich how is the search going for bin laden?
and ooh yeah the search for saddam's wmd's?

 

[DutchJazzer]

If part of this job is to actually read all 21 pages of this, I'm not sure I want it anymore

start reading

 

[DutchJazzer]

There was another NPR story that described women being in such fear of being raped "over there" that they would not drink fluids before sleeping for fear of having to "go" in the dark latrines during the night, knowing other women have been raped under those circumstances by "friendly" troops. A number of women were dying from dehydration in their sleep. . . .

I think the military brass might be reluctant to let the situation get any more complicated. . . . . might be part of their concerns about changing the DADT rule.

you're right i would not drink fluids too being scared of roofies and waking up surrounded by gaymen having their way with me

 

[DutchJazzer]

******* should not be aloud to openly talk about their sexual relation around straight people. The bill that should have been passed should have been that NOBODY can talk about that AT ALL! That would fit everyone's beliefs because it DOESN'T go against any beliefs at all! The moral of the story is poop comes out of your butt an NOTHING should go in!!! (except if a doctor prescribes)

so you're saying there should be similar rules applied to homosexuality that are applied to marijuana (medicinal marijuana).

you my friend just invented medicinal homosexuality

 

[babe]

speaking of wich how is the search going for bin laden?
and ooh yeah the search for saddam's wmd's?

We're drifting off course here, and I guess it's my fault or something. Dutch, ya gotta know, my ex-wife is Dutch. I spent too much time watching sports on TV, and she said it was no fun. I've been thinking of trying to win the race to the bottom. I just don't generate enough neg reps to go red like you. How do you do it???

Well, I didn't believe we should militarily invace Iraq. I didn't doubt there were some Russkie technicians there, drinking a lot and enjoying the balmy weather while being paid megabucks to set Saddam up with some big toys, but so far as I'm concerned, we shouldn't be playing world cop. We can't afford it. It's not a constitutional activity for our government. Congress should reclaim the constitutional perogative to declare war, and should only exercise it against countries or organizations that come here to do us harm.

I consider Bin Laden to be an asset controlled by darkside western agencies, a sort of Machiavellian strategy some of our Movers and Shakers use to dupe the American public into doing stupid things. Of course he's not going to get caught. He's a useful idiot.

 

[DutchJazzer]

We're drifting off course here, and I guess it's my fault or something. Dutch, ya gotta know, my ex-wife is Dutch. I spent too much time watching sports on TV, and she said it was no fun. I've been thinking of trying to win the race to the bottom. I just don't generate enough neg reps to go red like you. How do you do it???

Well, I didn't believe we should militarily invace Iraq. I didn't doubt there were some Russkie technicians there, drinking a lot and enjoying the balmy weather while being paid megabucks to set Saddam up with some big toys, but so far as I'm concerned, we shouldn't be playing world cop. We can't afford it. It's not a constitutional activity for our government. Congress should reclaim the constitutional perogative to declare war, and should only exercise it against countries or organizations that come here to do us harm.

I consider Bin Laden to be an asset controlled by darkside western agencies, a sort of Machiavellian strategy some of our Movers and Shakers use to dupe the American public into doing stupid things. Of course he's not going to get caught. He's a useful idiot.

how do i get neg rep? just some people hate me as soon as i get green i get neg reps like these. totally unfounded

I'm just worried that if I and others don't neg rep you every chance we get, someday you will suddenly have rep power. We must be diligent to ensure that doesn't happen. There was nothing actually wrong with this post.

and also every now and then trout just neg reps me unfounded. funny thing is i get a couple of pos reps in a row i get a greenlight and the trolls come out the woodwork and start neg repping me.

 

[babe]

so you're saying there should be similar rules applied to homosexuality that are applied to marijuana (medicinal marijuana).

you my friend just invented medicinal homosexuality

Well, I bet what we do on this issue isn't going to shake you up much. That's what is wonderful about having a lot of independent and even unique countries in the world. People get to try a lot of things to see how they work.

If I were gay, and in the military, I'd just not let it become an issue. If asked, I wouldn't tell====no matter what the law is. None of the govt or military business. I hope I wouldn't bother anybody. I'd learn what I could discuss in private with friends, and I'd probably be pretty slow to say anything on the subject. Even being Hetero all the way, I have realized that very few women in workplace situations are going to make life better for me if I flirt with them. Besides, I have a wife at home, and I think the gays are making a thing about their responsible relations too, at least sometimes. . . .

At least, with the new rules, when they become effective, maybe we can learn to just ignore irrelevant or unwanted comments on sex and just not have to try to do something about it in the name of the gov.

I can understand how some military brass folks can worry about efficiently micromanaging a bunch of self-absorbed kids while doing military campaigns, but the real answer is to focus on the task at hand. . . . and hopefully re-direct our kids to do the same. I know, I know. . . . . life is all 'bout sex, 24/7/365. But not in foxholes.

Something about those bombs and bullets buzzing around.

We need to treat one another respectfully and appropriately in regard to civil rights in our institutions, and I count all who will fight for our country as equal. But we should leave our personal lives behind when in miltary service to some appropriate extent. DADT was one way to try to do that in regard to the gay issues. It wasn't ideal perhaps. The military problem is the same for straights or gays when their personal lives affect their effectiveness. Military commanders can go either way with it. The Romans sometimes made it a requirement to be gay, to have your lover at your side. Made it work for better teamwork, for troop cohesiveness. . . .

It's the quibling within the ranks, the disunity that hurts the mission. . . .

Some of the very conservative religious military folks think accepting gays in military service will weaken the moral fiber or something. . . . . while they are in some cases also very supportive of military activities all over the world as a way of making the world "right" somehow, as in conforming to their values as extreme religious conservatives. . . or . . . whatever. . . . Maybe some commanders are more "hip" to the progressive world view, and want to apply the Corporate rules like Singapore everywhere. . . . yeah, that's the ticket. . . . . The US should one by one "make every Nation safe for fascism/UN elitism/socialism/whatever our genius think-tank folks wanna lay out for the peonage. . . . just seems pretty silly when I say the exact same thing our UN crowd has been saying for sixty years without the "right" terminology to make it sound smart. Whatever the view military or political/elitist/fascist folks have, our Constitution reserves to the Congress the power to declare war, and if military commanders have their own agenda, they are. . . not following their chain of command. And we as a people should be the ones who direct our Congress.

I think we need to bring our troops home, end the stupid wars, and let human beings alone. We don't need to be a new Sparta, we shouldn't be the World Cop, and we should get the gov outta our personal lives.

 

[DutchJazzer]

I think we need to bring our troops home, end the stupid wars, and let human beings alone. We don't need to be a new Sparta, we shouldn't be the World Cop, and we should get the gov outta our personal lives.

actually usa isnt playing cop of the world. they jsut remind me of the klingon empire

 

[Scat]

If I were gay, and in the military, I'd just not let it become an issue. If asked, I wouldn't tell====no matter what the law is.

Have you ever noticed when you meat someone that is vegetarian they seem to work that into the conversation within the first 60 seconds? "Hi, I'm Jim. And your name is?" "Great to meet you Chuck. By the way, I'm a vegetarian." It's like they are trying to validate who they are by getting it out there right up front and in your face.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

I have no problems with them getting rid of this. I will however say that I do suspect there will be some incidents now with openly gay soldiers. I hate to stereotype the military but homophobia seems to run rampant.

The large majority of active service members polled favored repeal of DADT. I do agree, however, that there will be bumps along the road to implementation.

 

[candrew]

Have you ever noticed when you meat someone that is vegetarian they seem to work that into the conversation within the first 60 seconds? "Hi, I'm Jim. And your name is?" "Great to meet you Chuck. By the way, I'm a vegetarian." It's like they are trying to validate who they are by getting it out there right up front and in your face.

I find it's the same thing with far right wack-jobs. However they usually utilize a bumper-sticker, tee-shirt or belt buckle to explain their political philosphy.

 

[VINYLONE]

I find it's the same thing with far right wack-jobs. However they usually utilize a bumper-sticker, tee-shirt or belt buckle to explain their political philosphy.

The lefties do the same thing my friend... No party has the corner on nutdom.

 

[PearlWatson]

have you ever noticed when you meat someone that is vegetarian they seem to work that into the conversation within the first 60 seconds? "hi, i'm jim. And your name is?" "great to meet you chuck. By the way, i'm a vegetarian." it's like they are trying to validate who they are by getting it out there right up front and in your face.

lol!