don't believe the hype - only Jabari parker is the sure thing

[Siro]

The conversation at his is purely about whether or not Wiggins has a high vertical leap. I provided quantified evidence that he does, and he responded saying that he hasn't seen it, so I showed him. Pretty simple.

I was responding to PKM's statement. I thought yours was about Wiggins in general. I didn't read context. Sorry.

 

[spycam1]

do you believe in santa too? in NFL combine, many supposedly legit 4.3 guy end up running much lower. don't believe everything people say. timmy hardaway jr in the nba is listed at 6ft 6. many fans think he is 6ft 6. announcers say he is 6ft 6. guess what? he was measured at 6ft 4 1/2 barefoot.

do your own research and draw your own conclusion because as far as i'm concerned only legitimate numbers are done during the predraft measurement.

no doubt wiggins is a great athlete. but him being once in a generate athlete? i don't know man. IMO once in a generation athletes are noticeably different from the tape.

the way MJ did that patented triple pump between 3 defenders? that was special.
the way shaq moved at 300lb for magic and then 330lb when he was in LA? that was something special.
the way bron ran the floor as a rookie carrying 240lb weight was something special.

show me special. make my jaw drop. then i'll pimp him to be an elite athlete. if he can't do that by now then i suspect he won't do that anytime soon.

Measurements are measurements. It doesn't matter where they're done. This is nothing more than an ad hominem fallacy.

I don't know how you can watch a highlight mix of him and not say this kid is an unbelievable athlete. If you feel you haven't seen it from him yet, then maybe at least let him finish his college career before making that judgement? He's only played in a handful of games.

P.S. You're saying my belief that the reports about Wiggins' vertical being accurate is on par with someone believing in Santa Claus? lolok

 

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Either fabtrey has never seen Wiggins play or he is completely blind. Definitely got that MJ athleticism

 

[fishonjazz]

I was responding to PKM's statement. I thought yours was about Wiggins in general. I didn't read context. Sorry.

Ok so just to clarify........... you think wiggins is an elite athelete right? regardless of what you think about his basketball skill.

Cause this fatbrey dude is trippin when he compares the athleticism of danny green and rudy gay to wiggins........ Just straight retarded

 

[Fabtrey]

Then let me show you.

camera angle is your best friend. none of them shows that he has 44 inch vert. maybe he isn't trying. show me 1 legit video where his head is legitimately above the rim. because like i said his head being near the rim means his vert is around 38 ish. can he squeeze extra 6 inch? maybe. but history says 44 inch is very very rare.

maybe wiggins is somewhere between jeff green and bron. that's still great athleticism. but not elite to me. maybe my definition of elite is different than yours. people may call john wall an elite athlete, but i don't. 44 vert with no body control is no elite athlete. 38 inch vert with superb body control on the other hand can be an elite athlete. most star athletes in NBA are explosive. but there are rare dudes who can rewrite the word 'explosive' - like young bron.

bottom line, i'm not crowining wiggins to be next bron yet. i'll dissect his game bit more and go through player by player pros and cons when draft time comes.

 

[spycam1]

He's not that fast in transition.

There's a few transition plays in this game where I'd say he looks very fast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIOcJX_jryc

 

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Fatbrey needs his extra chromosome removed tbh

 

[Siro]

Ok so just to clarify........... you think wiggins is an elite athelete right? regardless of what you think about his basketball skill.

Cause this fatbrey dude is trippin when he compares the athleticism of danny green and rudy gay to wiggins........ Just straight retarded

Wiggins is an elite athlete. I don't see how you can question that. But I don't think he's in the conversation for best EVER. He's way too young for that.

 

[Siro]

There's a few transition plays in this game where I'd say he looks very fast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIOcJX_jryc

But he's not THAT fast. You see a lot of players who are just as fast, if not faster. I don't want you to take it as "he's not a great athlete". He is. But his athleticism got some holes, and we don't know how these holes will fill as he gets more muscle mass. Maybe he'll end up as one of the top athletes ever, but we can't say that yet.

 

[Fabtrey]

Either fabtrey has never seen Wiggins play or he is completely blind. Definitely got that MJ athleticism

what separates MJ from all these great athletes is not hops, not speed, not agility,

but his insane body control
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOGKwF_BRUw‎

there is a thin line between a great athlete and elite athlete. MJ is an elite athlete because he has that something nobody ever had, his patented body control. i don't believe this move was duplicated by even the greatest copycat, kobe. i never once considered kobe an elite athlete. is wiggins kobe like athlete? most likely.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Are you sure? Because everyone seems to agree on everything. Maybe everyone can but me, yes?

pretty much. you're that bad at this.

camera angle is your best friend. none of them shows that he has 44 inch vert. maybe he isn't trying. show me 1 legit video where his head is legitimately above the rim. because like i said his head being near the rim means his vert is around 38 ish. can he squeeze extra 6 inch? maybe. but history says 44 inch is very very rare.

maybe wiggins is somewhere between jeff green and bron. that's still great athleticism. but not elite to me. maybe my definition of elite is different than yours. people may call john wall an elite athlete, but i don't. 44 vert with no body control is no elite athlete. 38 inch vert with superb body control on the other hand can be an elite athlete. most star athletes in NBA are explosive. but there are rare dudes who can rewrite the word 'explosive' - like young bron.

bottom line, i'm not crowining wiggins to be next bron yet. i'll dissect his game bit more and go through player by player pros and cons when draft time comes.

You are dumb. I mean that.

But he's not THAT fast. You see a lot of players who are just as fast, if not faster. I don't want you to take it as "he's not a great athlete". He is. But his athleticism got some holes, and we don't know how these holes will fill as he gets more muscle mass. Maybe he'll end up as one of the top athletes ever, but we can't say that yet.

Hollleeee.. ****.

Fast/quick/athletic... needs context with size, power, and skillset. smd

 

[spycam1]

camera angle is your best friend. none of them shows that he has 44 inch vert. maybe he isn't trying. show me 1 legit video where his head is legitimately above the rim. because like i said his head being near the rim means his vert is around 38 ish. can he squeeze extra 6 inch? maybe. but history says 44 inch is very very rare.

maybe wiggins is somewhere between jeff green and bron. that's still great athleticism. but not elite to me. maybe my definition of elite is different than yours. people may call john wall an elite athlete, but i don't. 44 vert with no body control is no elite athlete. 38 inch vert with superb body control on the other hand can be an elite athlete. most star athletes in NBA are explosive. but there are rare dudes who can rewrite the word 'explosive' - like young bron.

bottom line, i'm not crowining wiggins to be next bron yet. i'll dissect his game bit more and go through player by player pros and cons when draft time comes.

I already did. His head is above the rim right here.

If you can't tell in that gif, then here's a closer look.

I'll admit the camera angle makes it difficult to judge how much of his head is above the rim right there, but you get the point. And you can't just go by whether his head is above the rim. There are other factors to consider such as how far away from the hoop he's taking off. You can't watch a guy dunk and be like, "his head isn't above the rim!" Well, no **** bro, he took off from the FT line.

Take a look at how far away he has the ball away from the rim right here. It's unreal.

When I watch LeBron from high school, he doesn't seem any more explosive to me than Wiggins.

Wiggins high school mix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLsK-ZoL9sY

LeBron high school mix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHiqvzLhvn8


But if only we could KNOW what his vertical is. Maybe in the future they'll invent something that can measure and quantify such a thing.