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don't believe the hype - only Jabari parker is the sure thing

Not saying that anyone need to consider this guy as a draft pick. However i believe he will be an NBA player if he keeps developing. I am talking about Delon Wright of the Utah Utes. Kid is averaging 16 ppg on 70% shooting from the field with over 6 boards and 6 assists. He is the little brother of Dorell Wright of the blazers. 6-5 guard with a real all around type game. Just the kind who will make a great second round pick and make someone happy with that pick. He is a junior, a transfer from a JC program in San Fran. Probably stays his senior year at Utah. Anyone seen him play? Your thoughts.
 
anyway, my point being is there are 4-6 legit potentially great guys, but by no means they are sure thing.

but only 1 guy is a surest thing. because IMO jabari parker's floor is paul pierce.
 
Fabtrey said:
and this is what legit 44 inch vertical looks like. dude is 5ft 9 1/2 vertical trainer
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with bad angle
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legit 50 inch vert, some japanese baseball player i believe.
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carolinajazz it is
 
Max vertical tests are not reliable at all. Russel Westbrook only had a max vertical of 36.5" and is considered one of the most athletic players in the history of the league. Want to know who also had a max of 36.5"? Trey Burke.

Then there are weird cases like this:

Michael Carter Williams
standing vertical: 31.5
max vertcal: 41

Harrison Barnes
standing vertical: 38
max vertical: 39.5

What to make of that? MCW wins the max but Barnes has the higher average by far. Whose leaping ability will better translate to the NBA?
 
^good post. Something verts don't take into account is bounciness. Time it takes to 'wind up' and reach that max vert. Some are just fast off the floor (think Evans). Also, time between max verts.. recovery. Springs.

Andrew Wiggins has THAT.
 
Fabtrey said:
wiggins - let's all be honest here. this dude has a serious bust potential. he could be next tmac. or he could be just another 'potential' guy who won't pan out. I really have no idea who this guys is. and his athleticism is overrated. let's not act like young rudy gay couldn't do what he was doing when he was 19.
randle - he could be like cousins, but is cousins a franchise changer? i doubt it. and he will be undersized. i predict he will be 6ft 7 barefoot ish. maybe 6ft 7 1/2.
aaron gordon - potential is through the roof, but his offense is a major suspect. could be a beast down the road, but he will have 2-3 years of growing pain
marcus smart - could be d wade, or could be OJ mayo. who da hell knows.


etc, etc.


espn is pimping this year's draft hard, but except jabari(who i think will be a better melo who can play team ball), there are no sure thing. most likely we will end up having 6th to 10th pick, and i wouldn't cry so much about it. with trey ballin' this team will win some games. and even if we end up with most ping pong balls, we could just end up with 3rd or 4th pick. and from 2nd to 7th, i don't see major difference. randle is the guy who can immediately help, but we got favors and he is developing nicely.

bottom line i would rather see us playing hard and continue to develop our own young guys.

trey for ROY
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TMAC suckjs

BORN loser who has great stats

dont need no tmac
 
I think Dutch is undervaluing the class in reaction to the over value. But I agree that for Utah Jabari is the way to go. He just fits with our personel from what I have seen and read.
 
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DutchJazzer said:
TMAC suckjs

BORN loser who has great stats

dont need no tmac
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i disagree. healthy tmac was a great player - top 5 in the league. at one point many considered he was the best player in the league - over kobe. he never had a right team around him, and he could never stay healthy. he noticeably lost a step after his first major back problem.
 
Man Jabari going to be the guy with 3 rings and 3 finals mvps while wiggins is still on a bottom feeder type . Wiggins got a good game, I can see him putting up 18/6/5 in the NBA. Of course he could goto a team that develops him, or he may not.

He should be dominating college alone on athleicism.
 
Jazz4ever said:
Max vertical tests are not reliable at all. Russel Westbrook only had a max vertical of 36.5" and is considered one of the most athletic players in the history of the league. Want to know who also had a max of 36.5"? Trey Burke.

Then there are weird cases like this:

Michael Carter Williams
standing vertical: 31.5
max vertcal: 41

Harrison Barnes
standing vertical: 38
max vertical: 39.5

What to make of that? MCW wins the max but Barnes has the higher average by far. Whose leaping ability will better translate to the NBA?
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MCW is an extreme case. i would say most NBA players get 1-3 inch boost with the max vert.

remember many ballers are 1 foot jumpers, and almost all the time they jump after they run. unless you are a center down low, there aren't many standing vert opportunity in nba. running start is critical.

and those who can't jump with 2 feet - they just don't practice it enough. NFLers works on the their man thighs on daily basis, but nba players usually don't. they just practice at jumping higher regardless of 1 or 2.
 
Fabtrey said:
i disagree. healthy tmac was a great player - top 5 in the league. at one point many considered he was the best player in the league - over kobe. he never had a right team around him, and he could never stay healthy. he noticeably lost a step after his first major back problem.
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best player statistaclly.
but he plain is a loser. he had no winner/kill instinct.
he wa sjust a plain loser
 
DutchJazzer said:
best player statistaclly.
but he plain is a loser. he had no winner/kill instinct.
he wa sjust a plain loser
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really dude?

How far did you get in your basketball career? Oh wait, you couldn't pass 1st grade spelling and grammar so they didn't let you play.
 
Fabtrey said:
another bad angle. and it only proves his vert to be about 38-39 inch ish. but again, he may not be trying.
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That angle is just fine. It creates the illusion that his head is further over the rim than it actually is, but clearly is over the rim.

Anyway, this whole thing was ridiculous from the beginning.
 
PKM said:
^good post. Something verts don't take into account is bounciness. Time it takes to 'wind up' and reach that max vert. Some are just fast off the floor (think Evans). Also, time between max verts.. recovery. Springs.

Andrew Wiggins has THAT.
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Yup.

Wiggins dunks over this guy on his SECOND jump...

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Hack said:
really dude?

How far did you get in your basketball career? Oh wait, you couldn't pass 1st grade spelling and grammar so they didn't let you play.
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Killer counter arguement, no really.
 
Jordan's freshman year stats...It's hard to judge 18 year olds.

1981-82 34 191 358 .534 78 108 .722 149 61 41 460 13.5 PPG
 
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