Draft mistakes
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Our starting 5 is currently outscoring the opponents by 3.1 points per 100 possessions in 178 minutes...
...but those players aren't "complementary".
Before this season they only played together for 123 minutes in one whole season.
We have a completely new system, with young players, that haven't played much together before and are doing reasonably good sofar into the season but they are not "complementary".
...but those players aren't "complementary".
Before this season they only played together for 123 minutes in one whole season.
We have a completely new system, with young players, that haven't played much together before and are doing reasonably good sofar into the season but they are not "complementary".
orangello
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Interesting
3 of 5 starters are defensive liabilities and both Hayward and Favors are decent to good defenders.
Hood is the only pure shooter in the first 3 positions....Hayward is a good shooter, surprisingly consistent till now...but he has often struggled with his shot. Quin's offensive system needs reliable shooters.
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He will be alright only if he will restart attacking the basket like he did last season.
The Jazz are trying to become an elite team. It's a different process than signing players like Al Jefferson, Demarre Carroll, Kyle Korver, Marvin Willams, etc. and being in the mix for the #8 seed like Atlanta/Charlotte.
Hayward was a good pick. He's not the defensive player that Paul George is, but he's unique and a bit Manu-like in his ability to create plays from the wing. In the bigger picture, he is a valuable player and the market set his price. He looks like a piece of a contending team.
The haul that the Jazz got by selling high on Deron Williams has paid some serious dividends. Favors can be a starter on a contending team. Kanter looks confused in his new role, but he has enough positives that he can be an impact player. On some nights, he's our most consistent scorer.
Burks was a decent pick at #12. He still looks like a 6th-man to me, simply due to his inability to do what he does with other starters on the floor. Yes, Kawhi Leonard looks good right now, but anyone playing in Popovich's system complementing Parker and Duncan is going to look pretty good. See "Diaw, Boris."
The Burke pick gave the Jazz youth and what they thought would be starter-level talent at every position 1 - 5, making it easier to focus on BPA during their true tank draft this past year. They had no way of knowing who Exum would be as a player or that he would be available to the Jazz. Burke is a limited player on both sides of the ball. Maybe we trade him. Maybe we write him off. Who knows? Lots of people were calling Burke a top-5 or 6 prospect in the 2013 draft, including Chad Ford and David Thorpe. Starting the draft at #14 and moving up to #9 to get him was considered a real coup by most draft experts. He may yet turn out to be a serviceable player, and if so, he's still at least a trade chip.
I agree with Hack that Exum, Hayward, Favors and Gobert look like keepers. Add an alpha-dog to that group and we have a potential mismatch in our favor at any and every position. Exum looks to be gaining ability and confidence by the hour.
Hayward was a good pick. He's not the defensive player that Paul George is, but he's unique and a bit Manu-like in his ability to create plays from the wing. In the bigger picture, he is a valuable player and the market set his price. He looks like a piece of a contending team.
The haul that the Jazz got by selling high on Deron Williams has paid some serious dividends. Favors can be a starter on a contending team. Kanter looks confused in his new role, but he has enough positives that he can be an impact player. On some nights, he's our most consistent scorer.
Burks was a decent pick at #12. He still looks like a 6th-man to me, simply due to his inability to do what he does with other starters on the floor. Yes, Kawhi Leonard looks good right now, but anyone playing in Popovich's system complementing Parker and Duncan is going to look pretty good. See "Diaw, Boris."
The Burke pick gave the Jazz youth and what they thought would be starter-level talent at every position 1 - 5, making it easier to focus on BPA during their true tank draft this past year. They had no way of knowing who Exum would be as a player or that he would be available to the Jazz. Burke is a limited player on both sides of the ball. Maybe we trade him. Maybe we write him off. Who knows? Lots of people were calling Burke a top-5 or 6 prospect in the 2013 draft, including Chad Ford and David Thorpe. Starting the draft at #14 and moving up to #9 to get him was considered a real coup by most draft experts. He may yet turn out to be a serviceable player, and if so, he's still at least a trade chip.
I agree with Hack that Exum, Hayward, Favors and Gobert look like keepers. Add an alpha-dog to that group and we have a potential mismatch in our favor at any and every position. Exum looks to be gaining ability and confidence by the hour.
Stifle Tower
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So how does that bite us?
Oh, I guess because without Hayward we're a 15 win team this year and get a top-3 pick...to replace Hayward. This was the old model of the Clippers and the reason they stayed in the lottery seemingly forever. At some point, a team has to try to keep their players. Jazz have done that with Gordon, Derrick and Alec. Sure there's a risk of players leaving. But what is the alternative? Trade everyone once they get to Year #4 of their contracts?
akirac73
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kudos for using the word "complementary" correctly. 9 out of 10 people would've said "complimentary".
We can't bat 1.000. I think we've drafted well:
Our last 13 picks:
Ye-Haw:
Exum
Hood
Draft Trade for Gobert
Hayward
Hmm....:
Kanter
Burks
Others:
Maynor wasn't a bad pick at 20
Evans wasn't bad at 55
Murphy at 47...
Suton at 50...
Traded:
Green
Muhammad
Stokes
Dieng
2014 NBA 1 5 Dante Exum 14 265 74 23 38 .400 .324 .588 18.9 5.3 1.6 2.7 0.2 .036
2014 NBA 1 23 Rodney Hood Duke University 6 91 24 20 6 .258 .263 1.000 15.2 4.0 3.3 1.0 0.0 -0.014
2014 NBA 2 35 Jarnell Stokes University of Tennessee 3 17 8 6 1 1.000 .500 5.7 2.7 2.0 0.3 0.1 .394
Year Lg Rd Pk Player College G MP PTS TRB AST FG% 3P% FT% MP PTS TRB AST WS WS/48
2013 NBA 1 14 Shabazz Muhammad University of California, Los Angeles 49 469 241 89 11 .468 .353 .634 9.6 4.9 1.8 0.2 0.5 .051
2013 NBA 1 21 Gorgui Dieng University of Louisville 72 1101 387 389 52 .503 .500 .677 15.3 5.4 5.4 0.7 3.0 .129
2013 NBA 2 46 Erick Green Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University
Year Lg Rd Pk Player College G MP PTS TRB AST FG% 3P% FT% MP PTS TRB AST WS WS/48
2012 NBA 2 47 Kevin Murphy Tennessee Technological University 17 52 15 4 2 .250 .200 3.1 0.9 0.2 0.1 -0.3 -0.272
Year Lg Rd Pk Player College G MP PTS TRB AST FG% 3P% FT% MP PTS TRB AST WS WS/48
2011 NBA 1 3 Enes Kanter 230 4419 1978 1268 121 .508 .318 .734 19.2 8.6 5.5 0.5 6.7 .073
2011 NBA 1 12 Alec Burks University of Colorado 215 4740 2144 599 398 .438 .355 .745 22.0 10.0 2.8 1.9 5.8 .058
Year Lg Rd Pk Player College G MP PTS TRB AST FG% 3P% FT% MP PTS TRB AST WS WS/48
2010 NBA 1 9 Gordon Hayward Butler University 301 8617 3702 1063 961 .439 .364 .816 28.6 12.3 3.5 3.2 16.8 .094
2010 NBA 2 55 Jeremy Evans Western Kentucky University 186 2117 718 517 93 .572 .000 .658 11.4 3.9 2.8 0.5 6.3 .142
Year Lg Rd Pk Player College G MP PTS TRB AST FG% 3P% FT% MP PTS TRB AST WS WS/48
2009 NBA 1 20 Eric Maynor Virginia Commonwealth University 267 3896 1141 348 760 .392 .350 .721 14.6 4.3 1.3 2.8 3.3 .041
2009 NBA 2 50 Goran Suton Michigan State University
Our last 13 picks:
Ye-Haw:
Exum
Hood
Draft Trade for Gobert
Hayward
Hmm....:
Kanter
Burks
Others:
Maynor wasn't a bad pick at 20
Evans wasn't bad at 55
Murphy at 47...
Suton at 50...
Traded:
Green
Muhammad
Stokes
Dieng
2014 NBA 1 5 Dante Exum 14 265 74 23 38 .400 .324 .588 18.9 5.3 1.6 2.7 0.2 .036
2014 NBA 1 23 Rodney Hood Duke University 6 91 24 20 6 .258 .263 1.000 15.2 4.0 3.3 1.0 0.0 -0.014
2014 NBA 2 35 Jarnell Stokes University of Tennessee 3 17 8 6 1 1.000 .500 5.7 2.7 2.0 0.3 0.1 .394
Year Lg Rd Pk Player College G MP PTS TRB AST FG% 3P% FT% MP PTS TRB AST WS WS/48
2013 NBA 1 14 Shabazz Muhammad University of California, Los Angeles 49 469 241 89 11 .468 .353 .634 9.6 4.9 1.8 0.2 0.5 .051
2013 NBA 1 21 Gorgui Dieng University of Louisville 72 1101 387 389 52 .503 .500 .677 15.3 5.4 5.4 0.7 3.0 .129
2013 NBA 2 46 Erick Green Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University
Year Lg Rd Pk Player College G MP PTS TRB AST FG% 3P% FT% MP PTS TRB AST WS WS/48
2012 NBA 2 47 Kevin Murphy Tennessee Technological University 17 52 15 4 2 .250 .200 3.1 0.9 0.2 0.1 -0.3 -0.272
Year Lg Rd Pk Player College G MP PTS TRB AST FG% 3P% FT% MP PTS TRB AST WS WS/48
2011 NBA 1 3 Enes Kanter 230 4419 1978 1268 121 .508 .318 .734 19.2 8.6 5.5 0.5 6.7 .073
2011 NBA 1 12 Alec Burks University of Colorado 215 4740 2144 599 398 .438 .355 .745 22.0 10.0 2.8 1.9 5.8 .058
Year Lg Rd Pk Player College G MP PTS TRB AST FG% 3P% FT% MP PTS TRB AST WS WS/48
2010 NBA 1 9 Gordon Hayward Butler University 301 8617 3702 1063 961 .439 .364 .816 28.6 12.3 3.5 3.2 16.8 .094
2010 NBA 2 55 Jeremy Evans Western Kentucky University 186 2117 718 517 93 .572 .000 .658 11.4 3.9 2.8 0.5 6.3 .142
Year Lg Rd Pk Player College G MP PTS TRB AST FG% 3P% FT% MP PTS TRB AST WS WS/48
2009 NBA 1 20 Eric Maynor Virginia Commonwealth University 267 3896 1141 348 760 .392 .350 .721 14.6 4.3 1.3 2.8 3.3 .041
2009 NBA 2 50 Goran Suton Michigan State University
Hood being injured has really hurt us I think. We could have won a few more games if he was playing instead of Ingles imo.
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Julie Greengiant
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people who still think burks cant shoot
My approach to this team and it's current make up is to be slow and reasonable. We have a new coach, a new system, new players and old players in new roles. We have changed a team, a franchise, really, that has done the same thing year in, year out since 1988. As many folks stated at the beginning of the year, this is the first year in the rest of the franchise's history.
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Lakers_Slapper
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In the last 5 drafts? 10 drafts, 15 ?? I know that it has to be difficult predicting the next star based off of what draft pic you have, but the Jazz are known for raising some eye brows when it comes to draft day.
I think the only fair way to judge this, is by GM at the time and draft pic #. We have clearly been doing something wrong since the early 90's.
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I agree
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framer
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Jazz have always done pretty well with their drafting. Even the players people like to vilify were pretty good picks considering where they were drafted (like Ostertag.) One of my favorite quotes was from the braintrust that drafted John Stockton. "You guys really nailed that John Stockton pick back then." "Not really, if we had known fully what he was, we would have made sure to trade up and not miss him. rather than wait and hope he fell to us." Sometimes, even when you get that complete diamond in the late round it is just plain luck, because if you truly knew what they were you would trade up and not trust to luck that somebody else doesn't snake you. Looking at that, I can't feel bad about the occasional miss like Paul George. I DO know that the Jazz got great value for where they drafted with Hayward and that is all I can honestly judge them by.
homeytennis
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Yeah but you had Stockton and Malone on the floor with these draft picks.
Maybe Burke's issue is confidence and knowing what he wants to do. When gets going he has almost adequate speed on the floor. Maybe he's just thinking too much right now rather than getting into a flow. If he's second-guessing his shots when he's taking them, it's not the same as shooting with confidence.