Drug Deaths

[Engorged On Unborn Gore]

We should follow Portugul's example:

https://time.com/longform/portugal-drug-use-decriminalization/

 

[Jazz Spazz]

Maybe it's that simple for you. Maybe you never covenanted to build Zion only to have them build a shopping mall with a retractable roof. Maybe their policy on not baptizing the children of gay couples never made any kids you know into second class primary fodder. On top of all of the hypocrisy toward the poor, none of this is fair at all. I completely disagree.

Fairness, equity, justice, Etc., when not implemented to begin with, usually find a way into the equation in distorted ways no one wants. For the French in the 18th century, fairness manifested itself as decapitations. Roman, Ottoman, British, Etc., Etc., all through history. After getting their asses kicked out of the US 170 years ago, the Church has grafted itself into the "American Dream" so completely that they are almost unrecognizable from what they started as. They will share the US's doomed fate as history repeats itself.

 

[Engorged On Unborn Gore]

Heh. I guess that's better than pointing to a survey where people self-report their volunteer work.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

Heh. I guess that's better than pointing to a survey where people self-report their volunteer work.

It's all good. I just figured you had an issue or 2 with the Church of Jesus Christ of LDS, and less of an issue with other churches.

My other response probably would have been this.

"Based on your posts in this thread, is it fair to say you are Christian?"

*shrug

 

[Engorged On Unborn Gore]

It's all good. I just figured you had an issue or 2 with the Church of Jesus Christ of LDS, and less of an issue with other churches.

They’re all screwed. But I grew up in SLC, so of course there’s a little extra zest for LDS, Inc.

"Based on your posts in this thread, is it fair to say you are Christian?"

I was baptized, but I’m no longer religious. I still like Jesus, but not so much churchmen.

 

[Gameface]

They’re all screwed. But I grew up in SLC, so of course there’s a little extra zest for LDS, Inc.



I was baptized, but I’m no longer religious. I still like Jesus, but not so much churchmen.

Just want to say for me as well, I don't objectively think the LDS church is worse than any other, but it's the one that insists on getting into my business all the time so it's the one I harbor a little extra resentment towards.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

Just want to say for me as well, I don't objectively think the LDS church is worse than any other, but it's the one that insists on getting into my business all the time so it's the one I harbor a little extra resentment towards.

They’re all screwed. But I grew up in SLC, so of course there’s a little extra zest for LDS, Inc.

I was baptized, but I’m no longer religious. I still like Jesus, but not so much churchmen.

I get it and I have an idea of what you mean and experienced, I think. Of course, not exactly. Just know not all LDS "churchmen" are the same as the ones you experienced or other churchmen from other churches. There are good and bad and somewhere in between in most or probably all. I have met some really amazing people that truly come close to living what is taught, and the principles, and basically what Jesus showed. I have also met plenty that make me wonder if we are reading the same book.

Either way, I wish you well, but at times do tire of the bashing when in my experience I have seen more good than the bad and see many people trying despite their own weakness and human natures.

That is not to take away from your experiences and feelings, or right to feel and say what you want.

Just know that the conviction and fire you feel against the church and or religion can be felt just as strong the other way, and somehow both individuals can be good people trying to do good but with different viewpoints on the same things.

I don't think less of people that have an axe to grind against the church or religion, it really just makes me curious about their lives and the things they have experienced that led them to think and feel the way they do. There really is a lot that goes into who we are, what we believe or don't believe and the lens we view our lives through. I find it fascinating, and each individual fascinating.

I know this doesn't really go along with the theme of this thread, I just felt like sharing this word vomit.

 

[One Brow]

I know this doesn't really go along with the theme of this thread, I just felt like sharing this word vomit.

Your word vomit is always welcome.

 

[LogGrad98]

I get it and I have an idea of what you mean and experienced, I think. Of course, not exactly. Just know not all LDS "churchmen" are the same as the ones you experienced or other churchmen from other churches. There are good and bad and somewhere in between in most or probably all. I have met some really amazing people that truly come close to living what is taught, and the principles, and basically what Jesus showed. I have also met plenty that make me wonder if we are reading the same book.

Either way, I wish you well, but at times do tire of the bashing when in my experience I have seen more good than the bad and see many people trying despite their own weakness and human natures.

That is not to take away from your experiences and feelings, or right to feel and say what you want.

Just know that the conviction and fire you feel against the church and or religion can be felt just as strong the other way, and somehow both individuals can be good people trying to do good but with different viewpoints on the same things.

I don't think less of people that have an axe to grind against the church or religion, it really just makes me curious about their lives and the things they have experienced that led them to think and feel the way they do. There really is a lot that goes into who we are, what we believe or don't believe and the lens we view our lives through. I find it fascinating, and each individual fascinating.

I know this doesn't really go along with the theme of this thread, I just felt like sharing this word vomit.

Well said. I know stereotypes exist for a reason but I always wonder about the experiences of people who regularly denounce stereotypes but still cling to one, and usually so strongly.

 

[idestroyedthetoilet]

It's all good. I just figured you had an issue or 2 with the Church of Jesus Christ of LDS, and less of an issue with other churches.

My other response probably would have been this.

"Based on your posts in this thread, is it fair to say you are Christian?"

*shrug

In my experience, people who complain about LDS charity either are halfwits or have an axe to grind, usually both. Complaining about LDS giving is about as contorted logic as it gets.

 

[babe]

Maybe it's that simple for you. Maybe you never covenanted to build Zion only to have them build a shopping mall with a retractable roof. Maybe their policy on not baptizing the children of gay couples never made any kids you know into second class primary fodder. On top of all of the hypocrisy toward the poor, none of this is fair at all. I completely disagree.

Fairness, equity, justice, Etc., when not implemented to begin with, usually find a way into the equation in distorted ways no one wants. For the French in the 18th century, fairness manifested itself as decapitations. Roman, Ottoman, British, Etc., Etc., all through history. After getting their asses kicked out of the US 170 years ago, the Church has grafted itself into the "American Dream" so completely that they are almost unrecognizable from what they started as. They will share the US's doomed fate as history repeats itself.

May I just comment on your handle. Sure you're a reasonable person with serious moral food for thought, just having fun with "Shock and Awe" verbiage.

But seriously, all this angst about the Mormons...… Mormons historically were a sort of Pilgrim bunch, before they were "Pioneers" settling the West. They picked up on the Christian's early theology of communism... "all things in common", like the Puritan colonists.

They just found it doesn't work, and moved on.

socialists/progressives/communists today live in denial that their dream has failed every time it has found a place to grow.

I credit ADM----Archer Daniels Midland Corp.----- for our diabetes epidemic, following from the massive use of high-fructose corn syrup in food manufacture.

I credit Monsanto for a share in almost every maliaise in modern health for "chemical farming" in our food.

I credit Rockefeller pharmaceuticals(shareholders in almost every pharmaceutical company on the globe, and the related Aldrich chemical enterprise, for modern medicine that fails massively to be effective medicine. millions of old fogeys with prescription trays for daily existence, poisoning their livers. With no end in sight but the grave.

I could go on..... modern corporatism runs our government, runs the UN, gives us Fascism without any corporate newsorganization shaming it all.....

But Marxism isn't the answer. It's the trap that's been set to catch the chumps who care..... it's managed by..... drum roll please...….the corporate elites/bankers.....

whom the Mormons got into bed with a hundred years ago.

tall order, this.... imagining that people can just be their own selves. Try it, though. It's healthy exercise.

And, imagine, after the Brits initiated the drug wars against China..... China has returned the same on us.

Be a rebel. Don't do the ****.

 

[Engorged On Unborn Gore]

May I just comment on your handle. Sure you're a reasonable person with serious moral food for thought, just having fun with "Shock and Awe" verbiage.

I like sludge metal, *shrug. Lair of the Minotaur. They're on bandcamp.

They picked up on the Christian's early theology of communism... "all things in common", like the Puritan colonists.

They just found it doesn't work, and moved on.

They only moved on in practice. But they still covenant in the temple to give everything to the institution for "the building up of Zion". The qualification for Zion is "no poor among you" (the book of Moses). That's their scriptures.

The point has been made earlier in the thread that there is no one on the planet living up to what their scriptures say, but that doesn't change the text. The bare minimum of having "no poor" in their own city is not much of an expectation when you consider their vast wealth and holdings. But all of their investments in the city have been commercial. They don't interact with homeless people in their own city.

socialists/progressives/communists today live in denial that their dream has failed every time it has found a place to grow.

I don't give a **** about socialism. It's not what I'm asking for. I am asking for so-called Christians (LDS included) to live by their own precepts. I think legislation screws up everything for typical Americans who are forced to pay tax money for war planes and abortions.

I credit ADM----
I credit Monsanto
I credit Rockefeller pharmaceuticals
the corporate elites/bankers.....

whom the Mormons got into bed with a hundred years ago.

Right. They worship Mammon like everyone else. There is nothing exceptionally "Christian" about them. My entire point.

tall order, this.... imagining that people can just be their own selves. Try it, though. It's healthy exercise.

As long ans you and I are paying for warplanes and nuke upgrades, and party to Saudi arms sales, corrupt wars, Etc., there is no way we will ever be able to "be ourselves". You are simply offering up another ****ed up myth that is only believable if you are in a cognitive coma.