Education

[fishonjazz]

How do families purchase their children;s educations right now? Do they write out a check to the school or is the education just "given" to them? The difference with vouchers would be that if the parents are dissatisfied with the education their children are getting they can spend their voucher elsewhere. It might not work perfectly in every situation, but in some instances it would introduce competition into the education marketplace, and I see that as a good thing.

One of my daughters had a 2nd grade teacher who absolutely sucked. I was not the only parent who felt that way. The school principal told us there was nothing he could do and he had to put her somewhere. He said that he could not fire her. Under that scenario I could have told him that I would enroll my child elsewhere (meaning that the money allocated to her would move as well) and he could decide whether the loss of my daughter (and probably a lot of other kids) was worth continuing to keep the terrible teacher on his staff.

Ya right now education is free. I'm just shocked that you wouldn't want to change that if you could change education going forward. That seems anti capitalist.

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[One Brow]

Students are still required to take 4 years (8 semesters) of English/Language arts, plus a minimum of 6 semesters (3 yrs) of Mathematics, 6 semesters of Science, 5 semesters (2 yrs plus 1 additional semester or more) of History/Social Sciences (plus a few other requirements in Computer Literacy, Fine Arts, and Applied/Technical Arts) so all students are still getting a good basic education. That still leaves room for those who are interested to take additional classes in courses such as TV/Film production, Automotive technology, Digital this-that-and the next thing, Entrepreneurship, Cooking/Hospitality services, and various CAD/CAM courses.

I apologize for misunderstanding.

It sounds like already are plenty of of options. So, when you said, " am a big proponent of vocational/technical education at the high school level - less insistence that a college prep educational path to a four-year (or more) degree is the best course for everyone", what type of change would that imply?

 

[bigb]

Just about anyone not professionally trained to educate.

So someone with say 4 kids in public education has no ideas how to fix a problem? Or has a right to an opinion? Or the right to express it? Like nothing that person says is valid?
What if that person has successfully run a business for many years? Like they can’t see anything wrong with the education system and voice that?
That may be the stupidest thing you’ve ever said.

 

[Stoked]

Just about anyone not professionally trained to educate.

Super easy to find educators pissed about the education system.

Also this you aren’t one so you can’t have an opinion is frankly silly.

You’re not a professional in the economic industry (banker, accountant, stock broker...) so stop talking about its problems.

 

[gandalfe]

Just about anyone not professionally trained to educate.

So.... Betsy Devos.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

I don't like that over the years it has changed more and more to teaching programs and not teaching students. There is a low floor of what needs to be taught, and a low ceiling of what is allowed to be taught. How things are taught is different than parents have learned it, so helping kids learn is way more time consuming than it used to be. It's not about getting to a right answer as much as doing it their way. Many students are bored out of their minds, but they rarely have options that allow them to learn at their pace or help them learn in areas they are interested in. Many students learn in different ways as their minds think differently, yet most classes have a "my way or the highway" style of "learning and teaching".

That's just a start for me. I don't like much that is going on in most schools these days, and I don't like many of the different problems that have to be faced when going the charter school route most of the time. I feel like I'm stuck in an education system with serious flaws from K-Grad School. There are good things too, but they don't weigh enough.

My #1 and 2 things are I want teachers to be able to teach students and I want students/parents to have options to choose from.

There, I dumped all of that with absolutely zero solutions. Are there any? I'm not sure there are without trashing the whole system.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

Super easy to find educators pissed about the education system.

Also this you aren’t one so you can’t have an opinion is frankly silly.

You’re not a professional in the economic industry (banker, accountant, stock broker...) so stop talking about its problems.

Didn't Corbin basically say this to the fans. None of you are professional basketball players or coaches so you know nothing.

It turns out we were right.

 

[idestroyedthetoilet]

So someone with say 4 kids in public education has no ideas how to fix a problem? Or has a right to an opinion? Or the right to express it? Like nothing that person says is valid?
What if that person has successfully run a business for many years? Like they can’t see anything wrong with the education system and voice that?
That may be the stupidest thing you’ve ever said.

You can have an opinion and voice it all you want. I have an opinion too, and most likely wont care about yours. I've heard the complaints my entire life how the system is a broken failure and we're going down the toilet. And yet the country still manages to stay on the cutting edge. I'll hear the same complaining for the rest of my life and we will still somehow stay on the cutting edge. So, I don't care for every average Joe's opinion on how to fix it. Why take exception that I don't care to hear it and prefer to leave it in the hands of the many professionals? It's not like I'm in here criticizing anyone's ideas.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Have any of you read the book “The World’s Smartest Kids”? It’s a real eye opener on what other countries do in public education. It’s interesting to compare what we do to Poland, Finland, or South Korea.

One thing to keep in mind, it’s difficult to get an apples to apples (test) comparison across different nations. The test typically used to measure our education system against the world is the PISA test. However, this test doesn’t provide researchers with reliable data as there are many ways to “rig” the test. For example, China administers the test to affluent students in Shanghai, an urban setting. This skews the data in their favor. While the United States might administer it scattered between affluent/non-affluent urban and rural students, which may give us a more accurate picture of how well our education system is running but when used as a comparison against (cheating) countries, makes us look worse. The test is administered every 3 years, so it can provide us with a good feel for trends. often the results are used as a political football by politicians from both sides. Info about PISA:

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-25299445

 

[Stoked]

You can have an opinion and voice it all you want. I have an opinion too, and most likely wont care about yours. I've heard the complaints my entire life how the system is a broken failure and we're going down the toilet. And yet the country still manages to stay on the cutting edge. I'll hear the same complaining for the rest of my life and we will still somehow stay on the cutting edge. So, I don't care for every average Joe's opinion on how to fix it. Why take exception that I don't care to hear it and prefer to leave it in the hands of the many professionals? It's not like I'm in here criticizing anyone's ideas.

Sorry, but this isn’t cutting edge.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/02/15/u-s-students-internationally-math-science/

 

[Rubashov]

The money that is allocated for education is given to parents in the form of vouchers. The parents decide which schools and programs they are willing to spend their vouchers on. The idea is to create competition in the marketplace in order to promote quality education.

i thought the real idea behind vouchers was to transfer money out of the public system and into the private system?

 

[Rubashov]

meh as a non breeder and a massive tax payer, I say abolish education...