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Education has been used as political football for ages. It really wasn't until Sputnik that our nation (Eisenhower) really began to push for all students under the age of 18 to attend (and graduate) from high school. Regan's administration (for political reasons) put out the dubious "Nation at Risk" report; whose findings have mostly been debunked since. But hey, it served its purpose! It hurt unions, started the charter school movement, and helped funnel millions to private interests.

Educators were never consulted about George W Bush's No Child Left Behind. Teacher unions warned that this program was going to be a waste of time for students and teachers and would hinder the education process than help. They were right. It was never properly funded, which really only set up urban and poverty stricken schools up for failure.

Common Core, while a somewhat decent idea of each state agreeing on common standards and assessments to help students acquire a set standard of knowledge and skills, doesn't exactly work in practice. Yeah yeah, we all know about the "new math" that no one can understand. While this gets the most attention, the dirty little secret about Common Core, ESPECIALLY in Utah, is that many affluent students with involved parents will opt-out of the testing associated with Common Core. This drives school scores down, thus skewing the data against Utah schools, educators, and our entire system.

Legally, according to the legislature, SAGE scores can not be used on a student's grade. So students literally have zero incentive to actually try on the test. This has led to many teachers becoming frustrated with the test as their evaluations (up until about 2017-2018) and their school's grade (up until 2018) could be determined by students who would begin the SAGE and quickly finish it without actually trying. I mean, I don't blame them. If you're going to make me take a test that takes hours to complete, you better make it worth something. Right? So many of the poor scores we saw as a state were not necessarily indicative of poor teachers, stupid kids, or messed up schools.

Since then, we've made some improvements.

Utah is no longer "grading" schools anymore nor is the SAGE used on teacher evaluations. So it's less publicly embarrassing. However, according to state code R277-404-6, schools still cannot use student data on these tests to figure into grades. You can tell this is one of my pet peeves with this... So how can we really consider the data gained by state testing to be reliable when (a) The most affluent and involved opt-out and (b) students literally have zero incentive to try?

Schools that consistently score poorly on standardized end of year tests can still be shut down by the state. The new test replacing SAGE, for those of you wondering, is called RISE (for grades below 9), ASPIRE (for grades 9-10), and grades 11-12 will see no change as they've always just used the ACT.
 
Have any of you read the book “The World’s Smartest Kids”? It’s a real eye opener on what other countries do in public education. It’s interesting to compare what we do to Poland, Finland, or South Korea....

yep, read it a couple years ago - I'd first heard the author interviewed on NPR, that piqued my interest in the book. A good read - and a good book group discussion book.
 
i thought the real idea behind vouchers was to transfer money out of the public system and into the private system?

This is what they've proven to do.

In areas where vouchers are available, their overall effect has been neutral in academic achievement for students that used them, and raised the cost per pupil of the public schools.

You're being too nice. Vouchers, when available, have proven to have a negative effect. From Louisiana, Wisconsin, Florida, and Michigan, all four of these states have extensive voucher programs and all the research I've seen hasn't been good for the DeVos crowd. Vouchers are just a nice way of religious white people segregating themselves from "those other types of kids" and exploiting minority parents wanting the best for their children.
 
I apologize for misunderstanding.

It sounds like already are plenty of of options. So, when you said, " am a big proponent of vocational/technical education at the high school level - less insistence that a college prep educational path to a four-year (or more) degree is the best course for everyone", what type of change would that imply?

To some degree, many of these programs have been added in the last two or three years. And there's room for more.
And there needs to be better acceptance among parents (and school guidance counselors) that vo/tech training is a viable option. There's still a lot of pushback from some in the community against putting resources into anything other than AP level courses.
 
This is what they've proven to do.



You're being too nice. Vouchers, when available, have proven to have a negative effect. From Louisiana, Wisconsin, Florida, and Michigan, all four of these states have extensive voucher programs and all the research I've seen hasn't been good for the DeVos crowd. Vouchers are just a nice way of religious white people segregating themselves from "those other types of kids" and exploiting minority parents wanting the best for their children.

Just another form of neo-liberal class warfare, a new way to transfer public assets to private hands. it is a theft by the few against the many.
 
So a few things improvements I'd like to see in public education:

A. Rigorous standards and testing. And I have no problem with evaluating teachers and students on this. The problem right now is that the tests aren't rigorous enough and students have zero incentive to do well on them. Literally, the only tests we have in the K12 level that matter are SAT and ACT tests. By 11th and 12th grade, students are too far along the path to make significant changes. I'd like to see much higher standards and rigorous testing beginning at the middle school levels. School should mean more than flirting with girls and football games.
* Sidenote, I'd like to see less testing at the elementary levels. I feel like this should be the exploratory years for kids.

B. You cannot request more out of students without requesting more out of teachers. Drastically increase the standards for teachers, require far more observation time, and increase their salaries. Currently, education programs are some of the easiest to get into. That shouldn't be. Education programs typically have student teaching at the end of their programs. This should change. Candidates should have to spend weeks observing classrooms to determine if teaching is really what they want to do. Finally, based on their salary, (most) teachers in Utah qualify for food stamps and Medicaid. And we wonder why we have a shortage?

C. Change the focus from extra-curricular to academics. As a nation, we'll spend millions on football stadiums yet don't seem to care that there are 35+ to a classroom full of diverse students who don't speak English. Compare Corner Canyon's High School Stadium to Brighton High School's... School. Ummmmm...

D. Greatly re-emphasize the focus on the arts. I don't think only emphasizing Math, Science, and Language Arts is the answer. I do believe (and there's some research to support this strong opinion of mine) that the performing arts and liberal arts are crucial to developing critical thinking and writing skills and enriching a student's experience. We've seen over the past decade a surge in student anxiety and depression. Could re-emphasizing these areas help stop this trend? Or at least minimize its effects?

E. As a society being more accountable. Too many deadbeat parents dump off their kids at schools hoping that the school will raise them. That's... Not the role of a school. While I think over the past 50 years we've seen advancements in access to education (especially for minorities), I do believe that too little involvement (from all demographics) is leading to a system that caters to students and to every complaint they have. We see this especially on college campuses where students feel like professors are customer service agents rather than quality control. Snowflake students feel like they can shut down speakers, get professors fired for teaching something they don't agree with, or freak out inappropriately over the tiniest things. While I don't necessarily agree with Trump's executive order, I do agree with the notion of free speech on college campuses. If you don't agree with someone, don't go. But let them speak.
Time for us to put our big boy/girl pants on and understand that public education is an opportunity to better oneself. It's not daycare nor is it spring break in Cancun. Teachers aren't pinatas, professors aren't your slaves, high school isn't daycare, and college isn't Animal House. Don't like it? Well, Walmart is hiring!
 
Just another form of neo-liberal class warfare, a new way to transfer public assets to private hands. it is a theft by the few against the many.

Yes, and people from both sides of the political spectrum have bought into this. Really, vouchers and charters have hamstrung our public education system. When I began K12 I would always see a surge of kids "kicked out" of the charter school system mid-october. That was when they had to keep that student to keep the money. As soon as they could, they dumped the undesirable kid back into the public education system without us receiving the money back. So we would take back the problem and they kept the money. Then, you'd base my evaluation and my school's grade on students like that?

#somuchwinning
 
And there needs to be better acceptance among parents (and school guidance counselors) that vo/tech training is a viable option. There's still a lot of pushback from some in the community against putting resources into anything other than AP level courses.

The kids who take the college courses and get the college degree will out-earn those who take the vocational courses. Why would counselors steer students toward more limited options?
 
The kids who take the college courses and get the college degree will out-earn those who take the vocational courses. Why would counselors steer students toward more limited options?

There is more to life than $$.

Perhaps the talents, desires and goals of said student lie more in line with what a trade school can provide.

Providing as many paths as possible is a good thing is it not?
 
The kids who take the college courses and get the college degree will out-earn those who take the vocational courses. Why would counselors steer students toward more limited options?

There is more to life than $$.

Perhaps the talents, desires and goals of said student lie more in line with what a trade school can provide.

Providing as many paths as possible is a good thing is it not?

This ^^

And if it's a matter of salary, many trades pay as much as some careers requiring a 4-year bachelors degree.
 
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