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bigb said:
I see so much waste in the schools it's sickening. but that's true with any government funded program or project.
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It's also true of any large-scale privately-funded program or project. It's just that no private organization can large-scale like the government.
 
moevillini said:
I am a big proponent of vocational/technical education at the high school level - less insistence that a college prep educational path to a four-year (or more) degree is the best course for everyone
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I don't think we should tell a person at age 15 or 16 that they have a limit on what they can accomplish. You can train a person with a strong, general education to weld just as easily as you can train a person with a more limited education who is two years younger. However, when the person spent the last two years of high school learning to weld instead of learning English, math, science, and civics, it's much harder for them to learn enough to start their own business, go into politics, or change their careers radically.

moevillini said:
less technology in the classroom, particularly in the early elementary years - let students read books, write with pencils, do math without a calculator etc
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I agree with reading books. Using a keyboard or a calculator allows teachers to free up type to talk about other aspects of writing (grammar, structure, etc.) and math (sets, comparisons, etc.), so that's a more difficult field to navigate.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
I think we need vouchers. Give all parents the ability to essentially hire the teachers/schools that they believe would be best for their students and I believe that significant improvements would follow.
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In areas where vouchers are available, their overall effect has been neutral in academic achievement for students that used them, and raised the cost per pupil of the public schools.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
The money that is allocated for education is given to parents in the form of vouchers. The parents decide which schools and programs they are willing to spend their vouchers on. The idea is to create competition in the marketplace in order to promote quality education.
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Given? Did Bernie Sanders hack Joe's account?
Socialist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I worked in education for over 10 years. At the high school level, and at the university level. Pretty damn messy. I'm not itching to go back, that's for sure. De-funding it is obviously the wrong direction.
 
NAOS said:
....you really set yourself up in this post. I'll let someone else take the first swing...
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I will be interested to see if anyone besides you would want to take a swing at me for a harmless joke.

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moevillini said:
I am a big proponent of vocational/technical education at the high school level - less insistence that a college prep educational path to a four-year (or more) degree is the best course for everyone
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One Brow said:
I don't think we should tell a person at age 15 or 16 that they have a limit on what they can accomplish. You can train a person with a strong, general education to weld just as easily as you can train a person with a more limited education who is two years younger. However, when the person spent the last two years of high school learning to weld instead of learning English, math, science, and civics, it's much harder for them to learn enough to start their own business, go into politics, or change their careers radically.
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OK, where in my post did I say ANYTHING about LIMITING a student's choices? I favor INCREASING the choices we offer to include a choice to include more options to choose some level of vocational/technical course work. There also should be good choices for continuing adult ed for those who may not be ready to go the 4-year degree route at age 17-18 but are ready for it a couple years later.

I feel that my local high school is starting to do a better job in offering a wider variety of vo/tech courses and our local community college has expanded its offerings as well for both vo/tec and college prep courses. These are very good trends in my opinion.

Students are still required to take 4 years (8 semesters) of English/Language arts, plus a minimum of 6 semesters (3 yrs) of Mathematics, 6 semesters of Science, 5 semesters (2 yrs plus 1 additional semester or more) of History/Social Sciences (plus a few other requirements in Computer Literacy, Fine Arts, and Applied/Technical Arts) so all students are still getting a good basic education. That still leaves room for those who are interested to take additional classes in courses such as TV/Film production, Automotive technology, Digital this-that-and the next thing, Entrepreneurship, Cooking/Hospitality services, and various CAD/CAM courses.
 
Sorry to be the Debbie Downer with this quote but I think it still rings very true.

But I'll tell you what they don't want. They don't want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don't want well-informed, well-educated people capable of critical thinking. They're not interested in that. That doesn't help them. That's against their interests. They don't want people who are smart enough to sit around the kitchen table and figure out how badly they're getting ****ed by a system that threw them overboard 30 ****ing years ago.

You know what they want? Obedient workers, people who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork but just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly ******** jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it.”

George Carlin
 
fishonjazz said:
Given? Did Bernie Sanders hack Joe's account?
Socialist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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How do families purchase their children;s educations right now? Do they write out a check to the school or is the education just "given" to them? The difference with vouchers would be that if the parents are dissatisfied with the education their children are getting they can spend their voucher elsewhere. It might not work perfectly in every situation, but in some instances it would introduce competition into the education marketplace, and I see that as a good thing.

One of my daughters had a 2nd grade teacher who absolutely sucked. I was not the only parent who felt that way. The school principal told us there was nothing he could do and he had to put her somewhere. He said that he could not fire her. Under that scenario I could have told him that I would enroll my child elsewhere (meaning that the money allocated to her would move as well) and he could decide whether the loss of my daughter (and probably a lot of other kids) was worth continuing to keep the terrible teacher on his staff.
 
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