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I was at the Pacers game and had very good seats, in the lower section but not down on the floor. Being a little higher than the backboard, and behind the basket but not directly really gave me a good view of things.

First of all I watched them shooting in practice. They shot right at the basket where I was sitting. About the shooters:

Favors, yes Favors, now has one of the best releases / touches on the team. Great rotation and follow-through.

Burks needs a shooting coach. He gets very little follow through which makes his shots flat, and which is why he often clanks shots off the rim.

Booker has a terrible release. He'll never be a very good shooter with the way he shoots the ball.

Ingles is probably one of the team's best shooters.

Neto has a good stroke. He's going to develop into a good shooter

Hayward is good but not great. His shot needs improvement

Hood, we all know what a great stroke he has.

Burke has a decent shot. You would think he'd have a better percentage (I think a lot of his problem is mental).

Johnson has a nice stroke.

Millsap, better than Booker, but that's not saying much.

The big guys didn't shoot much from the outside, Lyles a bit -- his shot is ok but needs work.
 
b_line said:
Don't have a camera phone yet, huh?
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What kind of a dumb question is that? I just learned about the tickets last night and didn't think about bringing it. I could've used my cell, but it doesn't have a good camera. What can I say -- I wished now that I did bring it. But I'm thinking of coming to SLC for a game, so I'll bring it then.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
I was at the Pacers game and had very good seats, in the lower section but not down on the floor. Being a little higher than the backboard, and behind the basket but not directly really gave me a good view of things.

First of all I watched them shooting in practice. They shot right at the basket where I was sitting. About the shooters:

Favors, yes Favors, now has one of the best releases / touches on the team. Great rotation and follow-through.

Burks needs a shooting coach. He gets very little follow through which makes his shots flat, and which is why he often clanks shots off the rim.

Booker has a terrible release. He'll never be a very good shooter with the way he shoots the ball.

Ingles is probably one of the team's best shooters.

Neto has a good stroke. He's going to develop into a good shooter

Hayward is good but not great. His shot needs improvement

Hood, we all know what a great stroke he has.

Burke has a decent shot. You would think he'd have a better percentage (I think a lot of his problem is mental).

Johnson has a nice stroke.

Millsap, better than Booker, but that's not saying much.

The big guys didn't shoot much from the outside, Lyles a bit -- his shot is ok but needs work.
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dang. I feel like every single assistant coach has worked with Alec on his shot too. Who woulda thought that Kawhi would emerge as the better shooter from the 2011 draft.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
Burks needs a shooting coach. He gets very little follow through which makes his shots flat, and which is why he often clanks shots off the rim.
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Hmmm, interesting. This is from an article written after our pre-season opener (Link to source):

SL Tribune said:
Burks, meanwhile, believes he can be an even better shooter this year thanks in part to his nine-month hiatus from game action. His injury forced him to refine his shooting form, which, he said, has helped give him a softer arc instead of a line-drive dart at the basket.

"I had to learn how to shoot again," Burks said this week. "I tore my labrum, so I and to learn basically the shooting mechanics again. I feel like it's going to help me in the long run with a better shot."
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Eenie-Meenie said:
Booker has a terrible release. He'll never be a very good shooter with the way he shoots the ball.
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Also interesting, I remember when the Jazz signed him they said he had good mechanics on his jumper and they thought they could extend his range out to the three-point line, which they did. Having said that, he's been terrible so far this year. Perhaps they've both regressed to old bad habits?
 
jeez, you'd think Alec's 3pt shooting %'s were bad the way people portray him around here.. Seems kinda pompous if you ask me..

He's never shot lower than 35% from 3 since a rookie when he shot 33%.. So at worst, he's mediocre..

Not everyone shoots the ball on the same trajectory.. It's not like Alec's wildly inconsistent with his shot.
 
PG_AB said:
jeez, you'd think Alec's 3pt shooting %'s were bad the way people portray him around here.. Seems kinda pompous if you ask me..

He's never shot lower than 35% from 3 since a rookie when he shot 33%.. So at worst, he's mediocre..

Not everyone shoots the ball on the same trajectory.. It's not like Alec's wildly inconsistent with his shot.
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His release off his hand isn't bad, but he doesn't follow through, it's not smooth but more of a push because his arm doesn't extend, like for instance Joe Ingles, who has great follow through.
 
PG_AB said:
jeez, you'd think Alec's 3pt shooting %'s were bad the way people portray him around here.. Seems kinda pompous if you ask me..

He's never shot lower than 35% from 3 since a rookie when he shot 33%.. So at worst, he's mediocre..

Not everyone shoots the ball on the same trajectory.. It's not like Alec's wildly inconsistent with his shot.
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Eenie-Meenie said:
His release off his hand isn't bad, but he doesn't follow through, it's not smooth but more of a push because his arm doesn't extend, like for instance Joe Ingles, who has great follow through.
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Have to agree with ab on this one. Like he said above, he's never shot worse then 35%, not great, but not bad either. There's a perception he can't shoot because he doesn't shoot many threes.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Have to agree with ab on this one. Like he said above, he's never shot worse then 35%, not great, but not bad either. There's a perception he can't shoot because he doesn't shoot many threes.
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Have you been to the games and ever watch these guys in person? Alec's shot is still flat, and it's because of his lack of follow through that causes him to aim the ball rather than shoot it. Being an amateur who has played all his life in men's leagues (with officiating) and been a pretty good shooter -- made 5 3's in a game once, I've noticed this in my own shooting that when I don't focus on my follow through I start to clank shots but when I follow through I get a nice arc and lot of string music.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
Have you been to the games and ever watch these guys in person? Alec's shot is still flat, and it's because of his lack of follow through that causes him to aim the ball rather than shoot it. Being an amateur who has played all his life in men's leagues (with officiating) and been a pretty good shooter -- made 5 3's in a game once, I've noticed this in my own shooting that when I don't focus on my follow through I start to clank shots but when I follow through I get a nice arc and lot of string music.
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What they're saying is Alec is a +35% 3-point shooter so what's the problem?
 
MDAV28 said:
What they're saying is Alec is a +35% 3-point shooter so what's the problem?
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The problem is that it also affects his midrange game, and that he could improve his outside shooting a lot by focusing on his follow through. Imagine if he develops a good touch from the outside along with his ability to get to the hole, he'll be Michael Jordan light.
 
Behold! Eenie Meenie is the first person to ever see the Jazz live!!
 
The problem is he needs to have more confidence in his shot so that he will shoot more threes. Maybe that will come back as the season goes on but right now he chooses to drive almost every time. And i have noticed that his shots are still often flat, and how that didn't seem to match what was said in pre season.
 
Watcher said:
The problem is he needs to have more confidence in his shot so that he will shoot more threes. Maybe that will come back as the season goes on but right now he chooses to drive almost every time. And i have noticed that his shots are still often flat, and how that didn't seem to match what was said in pre season.
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Except, Siro, they haven't been watching the mechanics of the players like I did, apparently, or at least as closely as I did. And as Watcher said his shot is still flat. Well, I'm explaining why it's flat because I got to see him hoist up a lot of shots from outside, mostly 3's, during practice, and watched his form. You guys who do live in Utah should take a closer look yourselves and tell me what you see, and compare him with Joe. In fact, they were shooting side-by-side and b.s'g with each other so you could compare the way they shot. The contrast with their follow through was very obvious.
 
Gameface said:
No, I was expecting up close and personal pics of you.
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Well, ROOTS might've caught me on TV last night because I was standing up in my row jumping up and down, wearing my Jazz ballcap, and screaming at the refs and calling out encouragement to the players practically the whole game until late in the 4th quarter when the game was no longer in doubt -- I was in the lower section.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
What kind of a dumb question is that? I just learned about the tickets last night and didn't think about bringing it. I could've used my cell, but it doesn't have a good camera. What can I say -- I wished now that I did bring it. But I'm thinking of coming to SLC for a game, so I'll bring it then.
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TBH, the question is not quite as dumb as the answer. You should have just said, "no, I don't have a camera phone yet... at least, not a real one."
 
PG_AB said:
jeez, you'd think Alec's 3pt shooting %'s were bad the way people portray him around here.. Seems kinda pompous if you ask me..

He's never shot lower than 35% from 3 since a rookie when he shot 33%.. So at worst, he's mediocre..

Not everyone shoots the ball on the same trajectory.. It's not like Alec's wildly inconsistent with his shot.
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Hard to be wildly inconsistent when you shoot 1 every 3 games.
 
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