El Paso Shooting

[Stoked]

Not to be outdone as he simply can't lose anything to Joe, Trump discusses the carnage in Toledo.

A Trump/Biden debate would be entertaining only for the gaffe count.

Right. I just can’t lol

 

[fishonjazz]

gahddam, that dude is orange.

Lol

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[fishonjazz]

Not specifically but I think his tweets condemned everything that's bad. He's also specifically condemned white supremacists in a speech.

I'm not Trump guy. I do think he's an ignorant racist (he's does racist things and says racist things but just doesn't understand why they're racist) but I certainly don't think he's a white supremacist or condones white supremacists. Too tin foily for me. It's like the Republicans saying the Clintons are murderers and have underage sex rings going on.

Difference being that the Clinton's don't literally talk and tweet about murder and underage sex. That stuff is all fabricated by others.
Trump on the other hand......

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[Jazzta]

Please go back to ignoring me

Be nice Thriller.

 

[Archie Moses]

Difference being that the Clinton's don't literally talk and tweet about murder and underage sex. That stuff is all fabricated by others.
Trump on the other hand......

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Do you think Trump is a white supremacist or supporter of white supremacists ideology?

I think he's definitely racist (doesn't think he is) but I don't think he's a supporter of white supremacists. I mean, I don't know the guy so I may be naive, but I really do think he condemns white supremacists.

 

[Zombie]

Do you think Trump is a white supremacist or supporter of white supremacists ideology?

I think he's definitely racist (doesn't think he is) but I don't think he's a supporter of white supremacists. I mean, I don't know the guy so I may be naive, but I really do think he condemns white supremacists.

I guess that depends on your bar for what makes someone a white supremacist. As for me I'm not sure there's any daylight between someone as racist as Trump and what I would consider a "White Supremacist."

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

Depends on what you mean by gun control. Some states don't have universal background checks or registration, those are easy enough to rectify, requiring only political will.

More strict gun control like banning sales of all/certain guns, along with a buyback program for existing guns is probably never going to happen.

I think there should be much stricter licensing requirements to own guns, passing a mental eval, training, and liability insurance. It's wild that we have stricter vehicle control than gun control. It's stupid, and could be fixed immediately if we had the political desire to do so.

To be fair, there's no Constitutional right to drive a vehicle but there is to own firearms, so your analogy only goes so far. That said, I disagree with those who argue that reasonable, prudential laws regulating gun ownership violate the 2d Amendment. For example, waiting periods, universal background checks, banning sale of certain firearms, etc. are at most a minor, temporary imposition, and all those who want firearms for hunting or personal protection will still be able to get them. And, no, it's NOT setting us on a slippery slope to ban firearms ownership, so please, just don't.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

I agree with all of that, but it doesn't solve the problem of someone finding a way to kill a lot of people of they want to.

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A common fallacy used to critique public policies is the "magic bullet" fallacy, which argues that any policy that doesn't fully solve a problem is not worth pursuing. NO policy solves any public policy problem all by itself. Problems are solved incrementally, here some, there some, etc. The relevant question is what incremental benefit does the policy achieve relative to its costs (monetary and otherwise)?

For example, the relevant question is not "Do universal background checks eliminate gun violence" but "How many lives of how much damage/suffering might a universal background check save or avoid compared to its cost of making prospective gun owners wait a few more days to buy their guns (plus other costs related to administrative burden, etc.)?"

 

[Zombie]

To be fair, there's no Constitutional right to drive a vehicle but there is to own firearms, so your analogy only goes so far. That said, I disagree with those who argue that reasonable, prudential laws regulating gun ownership violate the 2d Amendment. For example, waiting periods, universal background checks, banning sale of certain firearms, etc. are at most a minor, temporary imposition, and all those who want firearms for hunting or personal protection will still be able to get them. And, no, it's NOT setting us on a slippery slope to ban firearms ownership, so please, just don't.

Yeah that's fair enough, and interpretations of the second amendment vary, it's a relatively recent development in SC judgments that the second amendment guarantees a personal right to gun ownership.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

Yeah that's fair enough, and interpretations of the second amendment vary, it's a relatively recent development in SC judgments that the second amendment guarantees a personal right to gun ownership.

Yep, plus there are guns and there are GUNS. SC rulings don't necessarily imply that one can own military assault rifles with high capacity magazines. SC may one day rule that's the case (wouldn't surprise me).

The gun culture/cult in this country has long ago strayed way beyond what might be considered rational/reasonable.

 

[Zombie]

Pretty much sums it up.

 

[cowhide]

Not specifically but I think his tweets condemned everything that's bad. He's also specifically condemned white supremacists in a speech.

I'm not Trump guy. I do think he's an ignorant racist (he's does racist things and says racist things but just doesn't understand why they're racist) but I certainly don't think he's a white supremacist or condones white supremacists. Too tin foily for me. It's like the Republicans saying the Clintons are murderers and have underage sex rings going on.

What a bad comparison? The fact that Trump stokes the fire of racism is actually true while the Clintons murdering people or pizzagate is some false right wing conspiracies. He condone the people in Virginia with there are good people on both sides comment.