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candrew said:
Oh **** that noise. You know why? Once you go down the rabbit hole with these ****ing conspiracy theorists, it will NEVER end. For every debunked claim it will just morph into another anecdotal story in another state, another city, another county.

Trump lost convincingly (by his own standards) and the last time I checked his attorneys are 1-26 in the courts.

It's time to put on your big boy pants and go on with your lives.
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Where are you getting this 1-26 stat you keep sharing? Why would anyone be okay with precincts where there are more votes than registered voters? It seems like issues like this need to be resolved regardless of the impact it has on the election outcome. The fact that some people are so angered at such obvious problems makes me suspicious of their true goals.
 
fishonjazz said:
If this is true then why didn't the democrats make more dems win in the Senate and house? Why not get rid of Lindsay graham and Moscow Mitch while they are out there frauding the poor innocent donald Trump out of the presidency?

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So you are saying your proof that this vote is not fraudulent is that you aren't aware of a whole bunch more fraud? That's some interesting logic.
 
Has the Trump campaign provided any of their proof yet?
 
fishonjazz said:
Look, im no fan of biden and have no problem with investigations into him or hunter. I also am no fan of hillary and had no problem with investigations into her. Call me when there are indictments, convictions and confessions and I will be there with you and I will bring my pitchfork.

The problem with this voter fraud crap is that it isn't happening in a vacuum with no collateral damage. Our country is being torn apart from the inside by this (trump has been doing everything he can to divide us all along. This is no different). Our democracy is being attacked. Our enemies are watching and trying to see how to best take advantage of the situation. Biden isn't being given the info that he should be receiving right now which will hurt our country when he does take over. Trump is focusing so much on winning this election that he is not focusing on other issues such as the pandemic and the economy.

So the trump administration is accusing the democrats of fraud. They have lost in court over and over again. Meanwhile trump university was convicted in court of fraud and racketeering. He has used charities fraudulently. People under his employ commited fraud by using money that was supposed to go to building the wall to instead pad their pockets.
People in his employ and in his campaign in 2016 were indicted, convicted and some even confessed due to their part in russia interferring in our election on trumps behalf. See the differences? You have a few accusations against hillary and hunter biden. Trump has some accusations of voter fraud. Meanwhile trump and those around him literally have a bunch of convictions in the court of law. Trump is a fraud.

Trump says the democrats cheated. Meanwhile trump has literally cheated on 3 different wives (all while pregnant mind you), cheats on his taxes, and has numerous ongoing legal cases against him. Hell trump even cheats against his kids when racing down a ski hill by tripping them. Trump is a cheater.

Trump calls biden senile and incompetent and slow. Meanwhile trump has even more gaffes than Biden does (without the excuse of a speech impediment), trumps team held a press conference at the 4 seasons landscaping company instead of the hotel (lol). His lawyer is on tv quoting my cousin vinny movie to explain his legal arguments while hair dye runs down his face. His campaign mixed up counties in michigan and minnesota in its election lawsuit: Russel James Ramsland Jr, the cyber-security expert and author of the affidavit lists 19 michigan electoral precincts where the presidential votes cast compared to the estimated voters exceeded 100%. That would indeed be bad if there were more votes cast than estimated voters in those 19 precincts. Except none of those precincts are in michigan to begin with. They are in minnesota. Trump is incompetent. (despite his cognitive test lol)

Trump criticized players for kneeling during the anthem. Trump is literally on video during the national anthem at the superbowl acting a fool during the anthem. He waves his hands around like he is leading an orchestra and does gun fingers at party goers. While his wife stands with hand over heart reverently. Trump disrespects the anthem. And if reports are true calls the troops losers. (definitely was insulting towards john mccain in regards to his service) Trump disrespects our troops

Trump always talks about the news being fake. Trump has fake hair and a fake tan. Trump is fake.

He sleeps with a porn star and pays her off to keep quiet. He gets trolled by Tik Tok. His lawyer gets embarrassed in a major motion picture (borat movie). He jokes about being president for longer than 2 terms. He says he would welcome help from other countries in an election. trump is a traitor and an embarrassment.

And now his new game plan (since he is getting destroyed in court) is to use electors to steal the election away from Biden and go against the will of the voters. You cool with that too like you are cool with everything else this ****ing clown does?

I mean I came up with all of this off the top of my head. Imagine the list to be made using google. This is your cherished leader. He is a con man and he has conned the **** out of you. Wake up
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There are several comments in this post that I know are not true. There are several that don't sound like they are true. There are some that are irrelevant to the conversation. In fairness, though, there are a lot that are true. The fact is I agree with you that Trump is not an example of our best and brightest. Unfortunately we have set up a system that is super effective at driving our best and brightest far away from pursuing the presidency. So we are left with choices that large numbers of us are dissatisfied with. But shouldn't we at least be allowed a free press that tells us the truth? Their bias is so obvious. There lies are so blatant. No wonder such a large segment of the population hates them so much. No wonder that huge segments of the population do not trust what they say or their motivation for saying it.
 
Specifics would be cool. fish's post is pretty ****ing true. I don't need CNN to confirm that. To say a lot of it is not true (without mentioning one specific thing) is very telling. To use that vague statement to go on a rant about MSM is even more telling.

A once reasonable person and now this. Honestly it's ****ing sad what Trump has done to people.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
There are several comments in this post that I know are not true. There are several that don't sound like they are true. There are some that are irrelevant to the conversation. In fairness, though, there are a lot that are true. The fact is I agree with you that Trump is not an example of our best and brightest. Unfortunately we have set up a system that is super effective at driving our best and brightest far away from pursuing the presidency. So we are left with choices that large numbers of us are dissatisfied with. But shouldn't we at least be allowed a free press that tells us the truth? Their bias is so obvious. There lies are so blatant. No wonder such a large segment of the population hates them so much. No wonder that huge segments of the population do not trust what they say or their motivation for saying it.
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That's really all I want to hear from everyone. That Trump sucks.
I don't hate on people who hold their nose and vote for trump cause they think he is lesser than 2 evils. I get that. And in 2016 I get it too and understand that he was something different at that time (not a career politician).
The thing I can't understand is people that think he is a wonderful man and the greatest president ever and compare him to religious heroes. That I simply cannot wrap my head around.

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I mean i just read an article with quotes like this:
In Sundown, Texas, Mayor Jonathan Strickland said there’s "no way in hell" Biden won fairly. The only way he’ll believe it, he said, is if Trump himself says so.

“Trump is the only one we’ve been able to trust for the last four years,” said Strickland, an oilfield production engineer. “As far as the civil war goes, I don’t think it’s off the table.”

This dude thinks Trump is the ONLY person he can trust. Donald Trump. WTF?

Asked whether Trump might be duping his followers, he said it’s hard to fathom.

“If I’m being manipulated by Trump ... then he is the greatest con man that ever lived in America,” Caleb Fryar said. “I think he’s the greatest patriot that ever lived.”

Greatest patriot that eve lived! WTF?

Rory Wells, 51, a New Jersey lawyer who attended a pro-Trump “stop the steal” election protest in Trenton last week, said he now watches Newsmax because Fox isn’t sufficiently conservative.

“I like that I get to hear from Rudy Giuliani and others who are not immediately discounted as being crazy,” he said of Trump’s lead election lawyer.
Rudy NOT crazy? WTF?

Fox news is not conservative enough lol.
www.yahoo.com

Why Republican voters say there’s ‘no way in hell’ Trump lost

Brett Fryar is a middle-class Republican. Now, Fryar says he would go to war for Trump. Nothing will convince Fryar and many others here in Sundown - including the town’s mayor, another Patriots member - that Democrat Joe Biden won the Nov. 3 presidential election fairly.
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Trump campaigns alternative facts: After Trump was elected, “many sought to undermine him, discredit him, delegitimize him and deny his victory,” McEnany said, adding, “There were no calls for unity; there were no calls for healing. ... Let us not forget the inexcusable transition, or lack thereof, that President Trump had to endure in 2016

What actually happened:
“We must accept this result and then look to the future. Donald Trump is going to be our president; we owe him an open mind and the chance to lead,” Clinton said. “Our constitutional democracy enshrines the peaceful transfer of power, and we don't just respect that, we cherish it.”


Later that day, President Barack Obama held a press briefing to offer his own message of unity to Americans. Obama vowed that there would be a smooth and peaceful transition into the Trump administration.


"I have instructed my team to follow the example that President Bush's team set eight years ago and work as hard as we can to make sure that this is a successful transition for the president-elect," Obama said. "We are now all rooting for his success in uniting and leading the country. The peaceful transition of power is one of the hallmarks of our democracy and over the next few months, we are going to show that to the world."
Two days after the 2016 election, then Vice President Joe Biden met with Vice President-elect Mike Pence, and Obama met with Trump to offer support for a smooth transition.

Trump is so trustworthy. He would never lie about anything.
 
So trustworthy: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...e-trumps-election-loss/ar-BB1bdrZB?li=BBnb7Kz

McEnany claimed that Trump "was never given an orderly transition of power."

Facts First: This is false. Unlike the current administration, where the General Services Administration is blocking Biden's transition team from access to government tools and resources -- the Obama administration never denied Trump's victory and transitioned power to the incoming administration.

In 2016, Hillary Clinton conceded the race to Trump in the early morning after Election Day. Two days later, Biden met with then Vice-President elect Mike Pence and Obama met with Trump.

The Obama administration cooperated with Trump's transition team.

To make her point, McEnany tried to argue the FBI's investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election -- a probe that later morphed into the Mueller investigation -- constituted a lack of an "orderly transition." But the investigation did not stall or block the Trump transition team.

McEnany again spread the baseless idea that mail-in ballots are susceptible to widespread fraud and suggested "there are real questions" over large scale mail-in voting.

Facts First: Election experts have told CNN time and time again that mail-in ballots are a safe form of voting and not subject to widespread fraud. There have been no reports from state election officials of either party of widespread voter fraud from mail-in ballots.

On November 12, the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency issued a statement calling this year's election "the most secure in American history."

On November 17, Trump fired Chris Krebs, the director of the CISA, who continually debunked claims of widespread voter fraud following the election. In his tweet announcing Krebs' removal, Trump falsely claimed Krebs made "highly inaccurate" claims about the security of the 2020 election.

McEnany claimed the investigation led by Mueller "exonerated President Trump."

Facts First: This is false.

Mueller did not exonerate Trump. In fact, Mueller's final report explains that there was strong evidence that Trump obstructed justice, on several occasions. But Mueller decided not to make a decision on whether to charge Trump, for many reasons, including Department of Justice policy that a president "cannot be charged with a federal crime while he is in office. That is unconstitutional."

The Mueller report also stated if his office "had confidence that the President clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so."


How do trumpers see stuff like this and think its all good? Do they just not see stuff like this? Heads in sand too far?
 
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