Election Count Issues


One Brow

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You left out the part where these same people utilized federal agencies to spy on the Trump campaign, transition and administration. And also the part where the insiders leaked damaging "information," much of which seems to have had no basis in fact, to their friends in the media like screen doors in a hurricane.

Yes, he left out the fiction.

It's as if they believe they have the power to cause obvious evidence to disappear simply by claiming that it doesn't exist.
I await your obvious evidence. We could both argue for correcting fraud, I just need to see some evidence it happened.
 


olden_undercover

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If this is who the Trump campaign is relying on as their evidence of voter fraud he is even more delusional than I thought. This lady had the IQ and the voter fraud evidence of a raw potato.


lol

Mellissa: "So, I worked a 24-hour shift-- I started at 6am, and then I got off at 6pm... er, I got off at 6am the next day."

Some effects of going 24 hours without sleep include:
  • drowsiness
  • irritability
  • impaired decision-making
  • impaired judgement
  • altered perception
  • memory deficits
  • vision and hearing impairments
  • decreased hand-eye coordination
  • increased muscle tension
  • tremors
  • increased risk of accidents or near misses
(https://www.healthline.com/health/h...-go-without-sleep#what-happens-after-24-hours)
 
I know, I watched the press conference highlights. Mostly of Rudy sweating, yammering and seeing his hair dye run down his neck.

All you need to know about Trump's legal cases now in PA is every lawyer but one has quit. People don't quit if they smell a winning argument.
They quit if the client won't pay, and Trump has a history of not paying for things. They probably quit because he wants them to push narratives they know to be false, which would be an ethics violation.
 

idestroyedthetoilet

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Today I learned that there are paper receipts that come from the machines.
Officials always compare the transmitted results to paper receipts from the original machines before certifying the outcome.
This article has lots of good stuff for you to read: https://www.yahoo.com/news/the-2020...re-all-the-facts-that-prove-it-184623754.html
That's great! This is the kind of thing that's useful to bring up in conversation. I've been a bit down recently in many conversations where good people believe there has been massive fraud. I don't respond with much because it would start a no good fight or at minimum relationship contention. Knowing how the results in GA were audited would be good info that's harmless IMO as proof on the other side of the discussion.

I mean, we could talk about how bith sides watch the voting and wouldn't stand for corruption, but that doesn't seem to resonate for some reason.
 

Harambe

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Here is a bit from one attorney looking at Dominion vote counting issues:


This is, actually, old news. I was reading about this scheme to do our vote counts through foreign-based (& possibly legally unprosecutable) corporations, way back in the 1990s. It has been an argument for having protections like paper ballots available for recounts, or computer images of each ballot available for inspection for audits. It has fueled my own imagination for a secure non-digital (analog) vote method....... capable of being "counted" by a simple scale or weighing of vote chips/cards/balls ...... all capable of being counted in full view/reading/object monitoring by all interested parties requesting observation of the polls......

A computer with a software package that contains specific portals for manipulation by paying interests from offshore, not subject to US law, parties. What a great idea. A pathway for buying election results. With Hillary Clinton's emoluments-collecting "charity" helping to pay for it all.

The attorney in this video has worked for Gen. Flynn and made significant progress in forcing unwilling Judges to finally concede point after point in that case, to uphold the law rather than just squash the investigation. tenacious to say the least.

I think this investigation/case is going to get on base.

It's a stretch to think it will stop States from certifying elections inside three weeks, but it will roll on three months into three years, and it will mean significant changes in the way things are done within the next two years.

I give Biden two years of media honeymoon, and then he will be impeached if the Dems haven't rolled out the vote to invoke the 25th Amendment on him and replace him with Harris by then. But the Republicans will take the house in two years, and will likely be able to keep Pelosi pretty tethered until then.

If there are enough states who cannot certify their vote by the Constitutional deadline, some say it will go the House to decide this election, and there will be one vote per state delegation, mostly Republican. But maybe enough RINO republicans to still give it to Biden.

At any rate, the media has completely abandoned objectivity here. There is no major media on the face of the earth who is not labeling the legal challenges as baseless and the claims of an actual voter win for Trump as some kind of crazy. Trumps statements have all been flatly described as "false". Not one reference in these media giants to any reasoned basis, just "False Claims" whatever.

A post like this one on Facebook or Twitter would simply be deleted as some kind of "racism" or whatever.

A point of notice for the mods, the attorney is a real person who has filed some real lawsuits. What she says in her interview is not of the character of speculation, it specifically outlines objective issues to be tried in court, which she says she has evidence for, saying further that she does not say things she cannot prove;.

And it is my opinion that proof is not always sufficient in legal matters. Courts are capable of ignoring proofs and ruling against facts. So we do not know what the rulings will be. I suggest here the entirely reasoned opinion that Biden will be the next US President regardless. I am however looking further down the road to what I consider to be a likely public response to information like this, regardless of what courts may rule.
We've been over this, *******. Less than .001% of votes are erroneous or fraudulent.

Here's this video, from someone much nicer than I. so it doesn't hurt your snowflake feelings.

Your boy has lost. Can you just move on to bashing Biden? At least that'll be new.
 
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babe

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We've been over this, *******. Less than .001% of votes are erroneous or fraudulent.

Here's this video, from someone much nicer than I. so it doesn't hurt your snowflake feelings.

Your boy has lost. Can you just move on to bashing Biden? At least that'll be new.
Yes, when Biden is sworn in on Jan 20 2021, the new thread will be "Hell No, We Won't Joe"

Trump is not my "boy", so of course you're a racist to use this term on anyone.

There is a lot of disinformation going around, and you orf coursen know nothing. I don't claim to "know" but I wouldn't believe your claim, or your math.

I think Sydney Powell is the most credible person on the job who has done the work it takes to know anything. Second in my view..... well, in terms of past elections, first.... is Tom Fitton. Both of these are damned honest people who don't lie and won't just make up anything.

Looks like the Trump organization disowned Sydney Powell today, being unwlling to take the case to the extreme. Maybe Trump doesn't care to really fix the whole cheating system, focused on just doing something successfully about his case. I support people like Fitton and Powell. These are people who actually do the grunt work to bring out the facts.
 

babe

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Still waiting on this proof that Trump's lawyer said was coming in like it was coming out of a firehose.

Pretty sure that hose will not be re-routed to you.

You're the guy who thinks Machiavelli is a good old Joe, who sees political manipulation of the ********people as a moral good. You don't care about facts.

There are a lot of people who have stopped caring to ignore the facts you won't see.

This is a civil case, and there are in some places judges who are part of the problem, maybe even the Supreme Court. It takes a lot of work to gather the kind of evidence and get it to the right place, and time is short. And if there is no court that will care to do the job, I don't think Trump cares to get it out there. The best use of the evidence then is in prosecutions of the people who have done wrong. One by one.

I think over a thousand people were convicted in the past two years of crimes of this sort, nationwide. And I think the right stat here is that 0.0001% of the actual crimes are prosecuted.

I think Tom Fitton will be getting a lot of donations to help in that work, and maybe there will be 10,000 convictions for this year.

I hope Sydney Powell adequately prosecuted the Dominion voting issues and gets such machines discredited and maybe a better computer system with no vulnerabilities for misuse brought to the market. At any rate, the politicians who signed on with Dominion and got kickbacks should be prosecuted.

I think the Left has lost credibility over a lot of things, and it will be dying on the vine in the coming era.

I have already explained to you how to estimate an "overvote" where the votes counted exceed the eligible voters. I have done those calculations for a number of areas in California for 2016. This year, due to public scrutiny, the vote claimed was 67% of registered voters, not 76% as in 2016. Looks to me like Tom Fitton's lawsuits got some attention, got some voter rolls cleaned up a bit, and made election official a little more modest about the fake vote efforts.

This year, in Pennsylvania, there were claims of 90% registration, and actual votes tabulated that exceeded the number of registered voters by 150,000.
The official stat on voter turnout was 73%, but there are only 8,600,000 eligible voters in PA, and they "registered" 8.1M, or 95% "resistration". The SOS claimed only 90% and reported that with a stat out of 9.25 "eligible voters", a clearly inflated stat. I'll be looking at those stats more closely. Never can be too sure they won't just morph on the records to something else overnight. I stop short of believing my own calculations when I have to use numbers out on the webz. But lets just say that the PA secretary of State and the US Census aren't on the same page. And it looks like there could be 300,000 to 650,000 "fake votes" tabulated.

I don't think the issues there will be resolved quickly, but I do believe some folks will be going to jail.
 
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babe

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That's great! This is the kind of thing that's useful to bring up in conversation. I've been a bit down recently in many conversations where good people believe there has been massive fraud. I don't respond with much because it would start a no good fight or at minimum relationship contention. Knowing how the results in GA were audited would be good info that's harmless IMO as proof on the other side of the discussion.

I mean, we could talk about how bith sides watch the voting and wouldn't stand for corruption, but that doesn't seem to resonate for some reason.
Not all voting machines are the same. As I understand it, some systems allow a voter to later observe how that ballot was counted. Quite a few of the complaints are from people who did that and saw that their vote wasn't counted right.

I think most systems do generate a paper ballot the officials can count, but there's no reason to believe they would then count different from the machine. The charge in some instances is that the machine "flipped" some votes, or that it is or can be programmed to do some flipping for paying candidates. The paper ballots printed by the machines will give no clue that that happened. Well, unless there is no "downballot" to show how the voter voted on other races. The lack of other races getting votes is a clue that some races were flipped or made up.

Most of the issues center on paper ballots supposedly generated by the voter and gathered from the ballot boxes. In cases like that, it's possible for a ballot to be run through the machine more than once, or discarded wrongly. Then there's the fuss about signatures and IDs being checked..... not to mention fraudulent "registrations" or mailed out ballots being voted by officials somehow, or ballots filled out by officials not voters.

The Dems ran almost a hundred lawsuits against various states to try to loosen the rules to something that's easier to cheat with. That's a lot of money in the bucket for a result like this. Some invoke Cloward-Piven strategy notions to believe the effort to destabilize our country's instituions is purposeful, and that they also "want" more riots and crap, just like they "want" other institutions to be stressed to collapse. Pretty standard Marxist notions, really. Gotta burn down the old establishment and then you can stride through the wreckage and imagine you've made humans "good", and that they will now love you for your utopian zeal.

Any claim that there is no fraud in the ideological agenda wonks is essential a claim that you really want to be that stupid.
 

Eenie-Meenie

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Pretty sure that hose will not be re-routed to you.

You're the guy who thinks Machiavelli is a good old Joe, who sees political manipulation of the ********people as a moral good. You don't care about facts.

There are a lot of people who have stopped caring to ignore the facts you won't see.

This is a civil case, and there are in some places judges who are part of the problem, maybe even the Supreme Court. It takes a lot of work to gather the kind of evidence and get it to the right place, and time is short. And if there is no court that will care to do the job, I don't think Trump cares to get it out there. The best use of the evidence then is in prosecutions of the people who have done wrong. One by one.

I think over a thousand people were convicted in the past two years of crimes of this sort, nationwide. And I think the right stat here is that 0.0001% of the actual crimes are prosecuted.

I think Tom Fitton will be getting a lot of donations to help in that work, and maybe there will be 10,000 convictions for this year.

I hope Sydney Powell adequately prosecuted the Dominion voting issues and gets such machines discredited and maybe a better computer system with no vulnerabilities for misuse brought to the market. At any rate, the politicians who signed on with Dominion and got kickbacks should be prosecuted.

I think the Left has lost credibility over a lot of things, and it will be dying on the vine in the coming era.

I have already explained to you how to estimate an "overvote" where the votes counted exceed the eligible voters. I have done those calculations for a number of areas in California for 2016. This year, due to public scrutiny, the vote claimed was 67% of registered voters, not 76% as in 2016. Looks to me like Tom Fitton's lawsuits got some attention, got some voter rolls cleaned up a bit, and made election official a little more modest about the fake vote efforts.

This year, in Pennsylvania, there were claims of 90% registration, and actual votes tabulated that exceeded the number of registered voters by 150,000.
The official stat on voter turnout was 73%, but there are only 8,600,000 eligible voters in PA, and they "registered" 8.1M, or 95% "resistration". The SOS claimed only 90% and reported that with a stat out of 9.25 "eligible voters", a clearly inflated stat. I'll be looking at those stats more closely. Never can be too sure they won't just morph on the records to something else overnight. I stop short of believing my own calculations when I have to use numbers out on the webz. But lets just say that the PA secretary of State and the US Census aren't on the same page. And it looks like there could be 300,000 to 650,000 "fake votes" tabulated.

I don't think the issues there will be resolved quickly, but I do believe some folks will be going to jail.
Where did these fake votes come from? Mail-in ballots. So, you're saying Republican election officials are intentionally counting fake ballots. Is that it? And you consider Powell credible when she alleges the election fraud to have been arranged by the late Venezuelan Hugo Chavez, whose current government the Trump Admin has been covertly attempting to overthrow? You really think that Venezuela despite that they probably would prefer Biden as President has the the wherewithal to fix an American election?
 

babe

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Welp. Truly.....biblical.




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I had heard this on the mainstream news earlier today, and I broke it down about the same way this author did. Trump wants to focus on more concrete issues that will get quicker results he wants. Powell wants to reform the whole US Election system.

Both sides claim their interest is more to fix a broken system than to get a specific result, but who'd ever believe Trump doesn't want to just win.

A lot of legal cases yield to calculations like this.
 

Gameface

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Pretty sure that hose will not be re-routed to you.

You're the guy who thinks Machiavelli is a good old Joe, who sees political manipulation of the ********people as a moral good. You don't care about facts.

There are a lot of people who have stopped caring to ignore the facts you won't see.

This is a civil case, and there are in some places judges who are part of the problem, maybe even the Supreme Court. It takes a lot of work to gather the kind of evidence and get it to the right place, and time is short. And if there is no court that will care to do the job, I don't think Trump cares to get it out there. The best use of the evidence then is in prosecutions of the people who have done wrong. One by one.

I think over a thousand people were convicted in the past two years of crimes of this sort, nationwide. And I think the right stat here is that 0.0001% of the actual crimes are prosecuted.

I think Tom Fitton will be getting a lot of donations to help in that work, and maybe there will be 10,000 convictions for this year.

I hope Sydney Powell adequately prosecuted the Dominion voting issues and gets such machines discredited and maybe a better computer system with no vulnerabilities for misuse brought to the market. At any rate, the politicians who signed on with Dominion and got kickbacks should be prosecuted.

I think the Left has lost credibility over a lot of things, and it will be dying on the vine in the coming era.

I have already explained to you how to estimate an "overvote" where the votes counted exceed the eligible voters. I have done those calculations for a number of areas in California for 2016. This year, due to public scrutiny, the vote claimed was 67% of registered voters, not 76% as in 2016. Looks to me like Tom Fitton's lawsuits got some attention, got some voter rolls cleaned up a bit, and made election official a little more modest about the fake vote efforts.

This year, in Pennsylvania, there were claims of 90% registration, and actual votes tabulated that exceeded the number of registered voters by 150,000.
The official stat on voter turnout was 73%, but there are only 8,600,000 eligible voters in PA, and they "registered" 8.1M, or 95% "resistration". The SOS claimed only 90% and reported that with a stat out of 9.25 "eligible voters", a clearly inflated stat. I'll be looking at those stats more closely. Never can be too sure they won't just morph on the records to something else overnight. I stop short of believing my own calculations when I have to use numbers out on the webz. But lets just say that the PA secretary of State and the US Census aren't on the same page. And it looks like there could be 300,000 to 650,000 "fake votes" tabulated.

I don't think the issues there will be resolved quickly, but I do believe some folks will be going to jail.
I stopped at the second sentence because it is wrong.

I care about facts. I also care about nuance.

I'll talk about my feeling in regard to Machiavelli if you'd like. My take in simplified form is that I think modern interpretations get held up on the brutality and viciousness and because of that mischaracterize the basic facts underneath them that Machiavelli was unique in his willingness to express.

You can't take "The Prince" and put it into action today. In fact, you couldn't have used it then, when it was published (or I should say, sent to the new Prince). Machiavelli was already a washed up and discarded figure who wrote "The Prince" as a sort of nostalgic look back at his previous work that he romanticised.

As I always say when someone wants to talk about Machiavelli and "The Prince" is that it's a pamphlet that you want to look at the "is it better to be loved or feared" and completely ignore that MUCH more of it was dedicated to the burning question of whether to use mercenaries or not. I'd guess a lot of people and a lot of college level courses that discuss it do not dive into the question of mercenaries and auxiliary troops much, while they beat to death the parts where he says that if you overthrow a regime you must kill every member of the previous ruling family and all their most prominent supporters. It's a lot more fun to talk about, but all that exciting stuff is about 25% of the pamphlet. Most people fail to understand the point, besides. It's better not to back yourself into a corner where you have to kill an entire family line. If you've found yourself at that point you've done a very very bad job of listening to what Machiavelli said in the other 75% of his guide.
 

BabyPeterzz

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I had heard this on the mainstream news earlier today, and I broke it down about the same way this author did. Trump wants to focus on more concrete issues that will get quicker results he wants. Powell wants to reform the whole US Election system.

Both sides claim their interest is more to fix a broken system than to get a specific result, but who'd ever believe Trump doesn't want to just win.

A lot of legal cases yield to calculations like this.

If “concrete” is what they’ve been serving so far....

You’re screwed.


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babe

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Where did these fake votes come from? Mail-in ballots. So, you're saying Republican election officials are intentionally counting fake ballots. Is that it? And you consider Powell credible when she alleges the election fraud to have been arranged by the late Venezuelan Hugo Chavez, whose current government the Trump Admin has been covertly attempting to overthrow? You really think that Venezuela despite that they probably would prefer Biden as President has the the wherewithal to fix an American election?

I'd be more inclined to believe there are multiple methods to do election fraud, and that none has been unused.

So the Clinton Foundation has connections to the corporation that is Dominion. There is also a British Lord ******** who is on the board, and the corporation is registered in Canada with offices in Toronto.

I think anyone who believes the Venezuelans created this on their own is missing the point. Powell claims China contributed to the development and paid to promote its use in various countries. Powell also claims the FBI and CIA have ignored many competent complaints coming to them from both of our political parties, and she speculated that these fine flawless institutions of US Arrogance have promoted their use as well. So it's used by "both sides" if you care to believe the standard false narrative that we are not already a dedicated globalists' world with minor differences between governments.

Some have used the analog of Aztec wars with supposed "enemies" where the leaders of both sides gathered on a hilltop under some shade to watch the battle below, while they swilled wine and pinched young female rumps. The armies waxed and waned, each side took some prisoners to be used as slaves, and then marched off the field. Nobody needs to win. The Bigs all get a good life.

I'm pretty sure Xi found Trump to be a rude brute who just didn't understand the wonders of "emoluments of office" proffered by world class elites, and I'm pretty sure Xi helped Biden with every sort of influence he could manage.
 

babe

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If “concrete” is what they’ve been serving so far....

You’re screwed.


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I listened to Giuliani's remarks twice. I believe he knows how concrete is used. He's just a different sort of lawyer than Powell, he believes he can win by sticking to smaller issues. A lot of politicians really don't want the whole ball unwound like Powell wants.
 

Gameface

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I'd be more inclined to believe there are multiple methods to do election fraud, and that none has been unused.

So the Clinton Foundation has connections to the corporation that is Dominion. There is also a British Lord ******** who is on the board, and the corporation is registered in Canada with offices in Toronto.

I think anyone who believes the Venezuelans created this on their own is missing the point. Powell claims China contributed to the development and paid to promote its use in various countries. Powell also claims the FBI and CIA have ignored many competent complaints coming to them from both of our political parties, and she speculated that these fine flawless institutions of US Arrogance have promoted their use as well. So it's used by "both sides" if you care to believe the standard false narrative that we are not already a dedicated globalists' world with minor differences between governments.

Some have used the analog of Aztec wars with supposed "enemies" where the leaders of both sides gathered on a hilltop under some shade to watch the battle below, while they swilled wine and pinched young female rumps. The armies waxed and waned, each side took some prisoners to be used as slaves, and then marched off the field. Nobody needs to win. The Bigs all get a good life.

I'm pretty sure Xi found Trump to be a rude brute who just didn't understand the wonders of "emoluments of office" proffered by world class elites, and I'm pretty sure Xi helped Biden with every sort of influence he could manage.
I believe when you say "...pinched young female rumps..." what you meant to say is "grab them by the *****."
 

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