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fishonjazz

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So how does one eradicate Trumpism? Is Trumpism a new thing? Or just some that has a new face? How does it differ from Nationalism?
I have never seen nationalism storm the steps of congress and break out the windows and force the national guard in to protect congress. So thats one way it differs.
 


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Well said.

I was going to just say it is a cult. And that's about it. The most pervasive cult, in the worst possible sense, at the highest level, america has ever seen. Complete with everything, excluding the Kool-aid.



So far...
Maybe it is because I am LDS but it has been amazing how loyal people are to this guy... nothing seems to phase the Trump supporters I know. Nothing makes people turn completely from him. No one seems to see the irreparable damage he has done to the Republican party. Those that stood with him the longest now have turned on him and the Trumpers will bury them and continue on.

How the **** did this happen... i feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
 
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Saint Cy of JFC

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Turn on any news channel right for your answer.
That doesnt really answer my question.

I see a bunch of racist/nationalist people who found a leader. Eliminating the leader doesnt really change it. So we can "defeat" Trumpism, but it's still going to exist. This has existed since 1776. America is and has always been racist. Is it really a coincidence that a black man winning Georgia was the straw that broke the camel's back?
 

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So how does one eradicate Trumpism? Is Trumpism a new thing? Or just some that has a new face? How does it differ from Nationalism?

Though generally misguided imo, I'd say Nationalism shows empathy to the fellow Nationals (though often winds up trying to exclude folks from that in group). Trumpism has very little of that same empathy and is more of an angry lashing out at general authority structures. Kinda like teenage 'anarchists'.
 

Saint Cy of JFC

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Though generally misguided imo, I'd say Nationalism shows empathy to the fellow Nationals (though often winds up trying to exclude folks from that in group). Trumpism has very little of that same empathy and is more of an angry lashing out at general authority structures. Kinda like teenage 'anarchists'.
But it is Nationalism though, is it not? They are trying to protect America as they see it (which in their eyes is the Confederacy). Because that's what America still is to it's core. It's still an incredibly racist nation held together by racist systems. A black man overtaking the senate in the favor of the Dems is what broke them.

I just hate pushing the idea that once Trump is gone "Trumpism" isnt going to be a thing. It's going to be a thing until we overthrow the system of racism that exist in America. Joe Biden isnt stopping Trumpism. America has to move towards true populism/socialism.
 

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But it is Nationalism though, is it not? They are trying to protect America as they see it (which in their eyes is the Confederacy). Because that's what America still is to it's core. It's still an incredibly racist nation held together by racist systems. A black man overtaking the senate in the favor of the Dems is what broke them.

I just hate pushing the idea that once Trump is gone "Trumpism" isnt going to be a thing. It's going to be a thing until we overthrow the system of racism that exist in America. Joe Biden isnt stopping Trumpism. America has to move towards true populism/socialism.

Oh no, Trumpism will still be there, I have no doubts. But I do think it's worth distinguishing as at least a subtype of nationalism.

A sort of nationalism that refuses to see anyone other than ones self as part of the nation.

Red's post was also pretty good, the complete disregard of any sort of 'expert' figure is built in as well and a key factor, though I don't fully understand how (the trope of only idiots being dumb enough to buy it doesn't fully explain it).
 

Saint Cy of JFC

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At the end of the day Trumpism and the Republican party share the same core value: Racism.

It's what gets republican's elected. So they will always be tied to Trumpism.
 

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But it is Nationalism though, is it not? They are trying to protect America as they see it (which in their eyes is the Confederacy). Because that's what America still is to it's core. It's still an incredibly racist nation held together by racist systems. A black man overtaking the senate in the favor of the Dems is what broke them.

I just hate pushing the idea that once Trump is gone "Trumpism" isnt going to be a thing. It's going to be a thing until we overthrow the system of racism that exist in America. Joe Biden isnt stopping Trumpism. America has to move towards true populism/socialism.
Yeah they found their leader and treated him like a rockstar... Our issues don't go away when he does. Its a start in the right direction though... maybe.
 

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That doesnt really answer my question.

I see a bunch of racist/nationalist people who found a leader. Eliminating the leader doesnt really change it. So we can "defeat" Trumpism, but it's still going to exist. This has existed since 1776. America is and has always been racist. Is it really a coincidence that a black man winning Georgia was the straw that broke the camel's back?
They aren't simply racist though. This isn't all about race. Its about democracy and power and conspiracy theories and alternate facts and tyranny etc etc.
 

Saint Cy of JFC

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Yeah they found their leader and treated him like a rockstar... Our issues don't go away when he does. Its a start in the right direction though... maybe.
The bottom line is that poor people are suffering and the middle class is shrinking. If this continues to happen you will continue to see people devolve into these easily manipulated mindsets where they are susceptible to things like Qanon. The pandemic has only expanded the wealth gap and made people more aware of it.
 

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But it is Nationalism though, is it not? They are trying to protect America as they see it (which in their eyes is the Confederacy). Because that's what America still is to it's core. It's still an incredibly racist nation held together by racist systems. A black man overtaking the senate in the favor of the Dems is what broke them.

I just hate pushing the idea that once Trump is gone "Trumpism" isnt going to be a thing. It's going to be a thing until we overthrow the system of racism that exist in America. Joe Biden isnt stopping Trumpism. America has to move towards true populism/socialism.
I disagree that the senate race broke them. They were headed to washington to protest regardless of what happened in georgia. Trump losing is what broke them.
 

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