Elections Have Consequences.

[Deleted member 365]

I can’t do that question justice, but, among other things it is an attitude of extreme antipathy towards all authority(i.e., elites) in science, medicine, and politics. It is the promotion of conspiracism as the default mode of thinking. (The talking points in his phone call to Georgia were born of QAnon, 4chan, etc.) It is extreme grievance politics, where Trump is a victim, and since his followers believe, they too are the victims. It is adhering to the position that nothing Trump says must ever be questioned. In the latter case, it is much like a cult. It is the position that Trump=the state, and that anybody who disagrees with Trump is an enemy of America.

Excellent psot

 

[Deleted member 365]

The Eurocentric majority is getting too narrow to guarantee political victory now. Which is why the distinction between Trumpism and general nationalism is important.

Trumpism is more of a cult of personality. The true target of the movement and its violence is liberal elitism, which has always looked down on working class whites.

Republicans are competing well with Hispanic catholic voters. So even though they’re seeing diminished return on white evangelicals, they’re seeing increased in Hispanic Catholics who identify as “white.” if it weren’t for African Americans, Democrats would be in trouble.

 

[Deleted member 365]

The bottom line is that poor people are suffering and the middle class is shrinking. If this continues to happen you will continue to see people devolve into these easily manipulated mindsets where they are susceptible to things like Qanon. The pandemic has only expanded the wealth gap and made people more aware of it.

It has been proven many times now that the driving force behind Trumpism isn’t “economic anxiety”, but racism. Sorry, but those with hordes of guns and body armor buying tickets to DC in January to LARP Rambo aren’t hurting for cash.

 

[Engorged On Unborn Gore]

Republicans are competing well with Hispanic catholic voters. So even though they’re seeing diminished return on white evangelicals, they’re seeing increased in Hispanic Catholics who identify as “white.” if it weren’t for African Americans, Democrats would be in trouble.

Currently, I think you are correct. But the Latino desire for (and performance of) “whiteness” may not age as well as conservatives hope it does.

Ourhistory of mixed races is rich enough to draw many of us back towards authentic ways of understanding our identity. Far more so, at least, than the fleeting machismo and cancerous arrogance of the Antebellum American mindset.

 

[Gameface]

After today I hope Criminal Charges Have Consequences is the next thread I make.

 

[hgb]

So how does one eradicate Trumpism? Is Trumpism a new thing? Or just some that has a new face? How does it differ from Nationalism?

How to defeat it is an excellent question, and I don't have the beginning of an answer, but I do feel it differs greatly from nationalism.
Sure, it's definitely based on racism and nationalism, but what really sets it apart is the complete and utter disregard for truth and rational discussion.

 

[gandalfe]

So, what will be the actual consequences of this election? The Democrats now control both houses of Congress as well as the presidency.

First thing will be expanding the stimulus.
It's starting to look like the second thing might be raising the minimum wage.
Some election law changes to prevent this cluster from reoccurring?

 

[Deleted member 365]

After today I hope Criminal Charges Have Consequences is the next thread I make.

Criminal charges are being made... on journalists!



Unreal. Un****ing real. MAGA invades the Capitol even barges into pelosi’s office and the people the police arrest are... journalists covering the events?

nice job Blue.

At some point don’t the police need to be looked at as enabling?

 

[Red]

So how does one eradicate Trumpism? Is Trumpism a new thing? Or just some that has a new face? How does it differ from Nationalism?

Well, nationalism certainly plays a role in Trumpism. When he embraces the flag, and his crowd cheers, he is posing as the number one cheerleader for America. He attacks our alliances out of a sense of nationalistic grievance: other nations are taking advantage of us. He embraced an isolationist style of nationalism: America first, and essentially, the hell with shared problems, like climate change, requiring shared responsibility and response. He also very much appeals to that strain of nationalism that I think is most uniquely American: the marriage of right wing Christian ideology with flag waving nationalism. God is on America’s side. Pompeo himself subscribes to a belief in the Rapture, and sees the Iranian situation from the point of view of biblical prophesy. So, there is a strain of nationalism strongly tied to American forms of Christianity, and that strain of nationalism is very much a component of Trumpism.

Trump’s is an Uber-Nationalism. His rally crowds revel in Trump as the leader of this aggressive style of nationalistic fervor. We should keep in mind that nationalistic fervor played a role in the outbreak of two world wars. The Olympics is one thing. Cheer for your national team. Trump’s Uber-nationalism is unhealthy....

 

[LogGrad98]

How to defeat it is an excellent question, and I don't have the beginning of an answer, but I do feel it differs greatly from nationalism.
Sure, it's definitely based on racism and nationalism, but what really sets it apart is the complete and utter disregard for truth and rational discussion.

I was thinking that the comparisons to naziism are striking and I was having this conversation with my family over the last few days. But the more I thought about it the more I realized it's more like the Manson family. Trump is eerily similar to Charles Manson in lots of ways and his followers like the Manson family, blindly following their cult leader and spewing his rhetoric robotically and then maniacally. I have little doubt that Trump will be viewed as a martyr if he goes to jail for any of this, and if he carved a swastika into his forehead I have no doubt you would see scores of bearded guys in wife-beaters, carrying confederate flags, with swastikas carved in their foreheads. I think we are, first, just lucky it wasn't worse or that there hasn't been more violence so far from that group, and second, just seeing the beginning of it. An entitled white male following like this, encouraged in their racism and violent tendencies, has the potential to get much worse before it ever gets better.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Well, nationalism certainly plays a role in Trumpism. When he embraces the flag, and his crowd cheers, he is posing as the number one cheerleader for America. He attacks our alliances out of a sense of nationalistic grievance: other nations are taking advantage of us. He embraced an isolationist style of nationalism: America first, and essentially, the hell with shared problems, like climate change, requiring shared responsibility and response. He also very much appeals to that strain of nationalism that I think is most uniquely American: the marriage of right wing Christian ideology with flag waving nationalism. God is on America’s side. Pompeo himself subscribes to a belief in the Rapture, and sees the Iranian situation from the point of view of biblical prophesy. So, there is a strain of nationalism strongly tied to American forms of Christianity, and that strain of nationalism is very much a component of Trumpism.

Trump’s is an Uber-Nationalism. His rally crowds revel in Trump as the leader of this aggressive style of nationalistic fervor. We should keep in mind that nationalistic fervor played a role in the outbreak of two world wars. The Olympics is one thing. Cheer for your national team. Trump’s Uber-nationalism is unhealthy....

This is a good post. The Dominionists who want to merge government and church also share responsibility here. Christian churches could've ended his presidency long ago. Instead, they traded their souls for conservative judges. The structure has been set up by Republican politicians, grassroots organizations (Eagle Forum here in Utah), and big donors (Mercers, Kochs, etc), and The Federalist Society (which fast tracks young law students to the judicial).

 

[str8line]

I wouldn’t go this far. This party is still very much alive. They’re a dozen seats away from controlling the house. One seat away from controlling the senate. a handful of swing states away from controlling the White House. and they still control the majority of state legislatures and Governor mansions. They’re still far better funded and organized than Democrats. The richest in America fund Republicans. They have countless think tanks like Heritage, CATO, Turning Point, and ALEC. They have the Federalist society that promotes ideologues to fill the court system. They have an unholy alliance with most Christian religions in America. That means that despite shrinking white evangelicals they’re gaining ground with Catholic Hispanics. Finally, they have the most comprehensive propaganda network in the history of mankind. From professional looking Fox News, to omnipresent am radio, to the best organizer for disinformation and protest, Facebook.

The Republican Party is still very much alive even in its current Trump state. Just watch, they’ll go back to obstructing everything starting Jan 20 and will most likely retake the Congress at the 2022 midterms, making Biden a lame duck president. this is why the next two years are key to repairing our democracy. Democrats should focus on voting rights and keeping their wide diverse base engaged at the local level and voting. We know Republicans are going to be come 2022. We need repeated Republican defeats and to send them into the wildness for a generation to bring balance to our country. Only once the poison that the Kochs and Fox News provide doesnt sell in winning state legislatures and congress will we finally see real reform in right wing media and the Republican Party.

But is the Republican Party still very much alive? Especially with so many Republican's in Congress coming out against Trump? I wonder how many Republicans feel like this woman:



"One of the women, who identified herself as Rachel J., said she doesn't see much hope for the future of the current Republican Party.

"I just think most patriots like myself are going to go home, take care of my family," she said. "Are you going to get us out to vote again? I doubt it. I don't think a Republican could ever win another national election."

Other people I spoke with echoed the same theme - that Trump should form a new "Patriot Party" and leave the GOP in the dust.

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