Elijah Millsap: Lindsey in exit interview: “if u say one more word, I’ll cut your Black *** and send you back to Louisiana”.

[Handlogten's Heros]

This is what I'm trying to say but in a better, more succinct fashion.

Its like my kids say "you started it"

 

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

Then if EM thinks that, why did he tweet such a thing? Is he brain dead? What was his motivation?

No clue. But that's what Elijah said. So, even ELIJAH felt like this was out of character and out of left field. Even now, he isn't calling DL racist.

 

[SoUjazzfan]

I don't think the problem is denying it. He could have had the same statement while also showing more concern for the issues at hand. "I categorically deny making that statement. We will reach out to Elijah to address this potential misunderstanding".

Like I was saying before, I think both men believe in their truths. To me it's not really about outing one or the other as a liar. I'm just thinking about how the response comes off to the other players. Rudy, for example, said he was close with Elijah. He's probably going to believe Elijah. How do you think Rudy feels when his friend is called a liar?

We're never going to know the whole truth for sure, but what's most important is that the Jazz make it clear to the players that these concerns are taken seriously and not dismissed so quickly.

I agree, especially with the last sentance.
There is no doubt all exit interviews will now be recorded.
My hope is both sides learn from this and there can be open and honest dialog when someone feels offended by management or ownership.

 

[slc]

DL and Elijah both seem like decent good men
This can be patched up by a private face to face meeting
The longer this goes on the worse things may become
DL needs to get on a plane and fly to Elijah ASAP

 

[candrew]

DL and Elijah both seem like decent good men
This can be patched up by a private face to face meeting
The longer this goes on the worse things may become
DL needs to get on a plane and fly to Elijah ASAP

Then DL would be acting like someone who's guilty.

And he already categorically denied it - that be his job for sure whether he said it or not.

 

[BENTLEY]

Ban cy

This. Long overdue.

 

[LogGrad98]

I think milsap should have reached out to DL directly and squashed it like that.

I think that would have been ideal. But I have dealt with many many situations like this in the workplace, from racial issues to sexual harassment to hostile work environments, you name it, and the key thing we tell people is to let someone know. Anyone. Anyway. Just get the issue in the open so it can be addressed.

I had one woman's mother come in and talk to me about a lead that was supposedly harassing her daughter. Her daughter was maybe 20 and felt very uncomfortable addressing this in any way, largely because we teach people when they are young to despise "tattle-tales" and that bleeds over into the workplace, making addressing these issues much harder.

I am glad EM brought the issue to light in a way he felt comfortable approaching it, it is serious and needs to be addressed.

I am also glad the Jazz has had some pretty swift responses and immediately reached out to the league to instigate an investigation. That is exactly how an organization like this should have responded.

I once had to start an investigation of a supervisor in one of my buildings because of a facebook post that someone brought to me from a previous employee who posted they quit because he kept calling her fat. Key thing is that this gets addressed, that EM feels heard and acknowledged, and that DL is treated as innocent until proven guilty. By the comments on a lot of the tweets there are already people basically calling for his head, which to me is the worst thing about a public outing like this. IF he is shown to have done this, they need to fire him, especially after his public denial. IF it is shown to be a misunderstanding or at worst a he-said/she-said I hope EM can move forward, and I hope DL can salvage his reputation somewhat, although I imagine that damage will take a long time to undo, regardless of the outcome or facts.

No matter what I hope the organization takes this as an opportunity to check the pulse of their employees on issues like this, and educate everyone. In short, to get better as a group.

 

[whatthe]

And there is some reverse prejudice going on here. The twitter-sphere is gleeful because they think DL is some generic Utah Mormon. This is a proxy way of slamming Mormons as racist. If they only knew who they were attacking they would slow down on the hate.

 

[TheGoldStandard]

When I read DL's background, where he came from, who he has become, and then compared it with the comments by his peers and even by Elijah himself, it almost feels like Elijah heard something that wasn't said. It was pretty far out of character for DL based on his life experience.

I am not saying that this happened but... for example. My ears are just fine but sometimes I am a bit DEEF. My wife calls me "NOT THE LYRIC'S KING" because I am convinced that songs say something that they don't. For a decade I sang "Let me go home, like a GLISTER in the Sun". I think I even put Glister in a paper at school when trying to describe a shining object. Later when my wife mocked me for it I decided to show her so I looked it up. When I saw I was dead wrong and that there is no such thing as a GLISTER, I copied and pasted the lyrics to microsoft word, changed the lyrics, printed it out, and showed her. Yeah, I felt dumb but we laugh about it to this day. I think I heard that song hundreds of times and yet I was convinced of what I heard.

Point is, this doesn't match DLs anti-racist history. If it happened, I think he has done more to create a culture of anti-racism around the Jazz and to condemn these things when they happened in the past than most of us have done from our keyboards.

I've never heard of glistering in the sun. My brother thought for years that in the Who Let the Dogs Out song they were barking instead of saying who, who, who, who who. He is a double idiot for thinking that, and also for listening to that song.

And let's be honest, clearly Elton John said hold me closer Tony Danza. He was the boss after all.

 

[One Brow]

Then DL would be acting like someone who's guilty.

And he already categorically denied it - that be his job for sure whether he said it or not.

Or, acting like someone who wants to move forward rather than dwell on guilt.

 

[TheGoldStandard]

I think that would have been ideal. But I have dealt with many many situations like this in the workplace, from racial issues to sexual harassment to hostile work environments, you name it, and the key thing we tell people is to let someone know. Anyone. Anyway. Just get the issue in the open so it can be addressed.

I had one woman's mother come in and talk to me about a lead that was supposedly harassing her daughter. Her daughter was maybe 20 and felt very uncomfortable addressing this in any way, largely because we teach people when they are young to despise "tattle-tales" and that bleeds over into the workplace, making addressing these issues much harder.

I am glad EM brought the issue to light in a way he felt comfortable approaching it, it is serious and needs to be addressed.

I am also glad the Jazz has had some pretty swift responses and immediately reached out to the league to instigate an investigation. That is exactly how an organization like this should have responded.

I once had to start an investigation of a supervisor in one of my buildings because of a facebook post that someone brought to me from a previous employee who posted they quit because he kept calling her fat. Key thing is that this gets addressed, that EM feels heard and acknowledged, and that DL is treated as innocent until proven guilty. By the comments on a lot of the tweets there are already people basically calling for his head, which to me is the worst thing about a public outing like this. IF he is shown to have done this, they need to fire him, especially after his public denial. IF it is shown to be a misunderstanding or at worst a he-said/she-said I hope EM can move forward, and I hope DL can salvage his reputation somewhat, although I imagine that damage will take a long time to undo.

No matter what I hope the organization takes this as an opportunity to check the pulse of their employees on issues like this, and educate everyone. In short, to get better as a group.

In my experience, this usually happens in some form. They tell a fellow co-worker (or here a teammate) or another friend, etc. I'm not saying Millsap is wrong, but waiting six years with no one else remembering when there were two other people in the room does not look super credible.

I think a statement like that would stick with me if I was in the room. My question is what did Millsap say or do in the first place to get chewed out? An end of the bench player should be working the hardest, and being the most appreciative. Don't rock the boat when you are easily replaced.

 

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

I'd agree with you completely, except Elijah made the public statement that he was disappointed DL didn't reach out to him directly. It goes both ways, so if Elijah expected a direct interaction, rather than a public statement, he should have started the process the same way.

This!