So does anything else? Whether it's "bringing the Lord to savages of the new world", or "bringing a free and democratic government to a new country", there's always going to be a justification for doing something terrible.
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So does anything else? Whether it's "bringing the Lord to savages of the new world", or "bringing a free and democratic government to a new country", there's always going to be a justification for doing something terrible.
PearlWatson
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From Wiki "Ten Percent of Brain Myth" consensus page:
Though factors of intelligence can increase with training,[2] the popular notion that large parts of the brain remain unused, and could subsequently be "activated", rests more in popular folklore than scientific theory. Though mysteries regarding brain function remain—e.g. memory, consciousness — the physiology of brain mapping suggests that most if not all areas of the brain have a function.[3][4]
El also means "The"
And honor can be translated (albeit badly)as price. Could be taken as "set me the thine price", which could also tie in to him being willing to pay the price(suffer) instead of his older brother.
I'll go with you on the El one. As to the honor, there is no translation. It was given in English, and that is the word they used for the Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price it was translated as honor, and I don't think we have the original to look at and see if there were multiple words and it was translated to honor but could have been something else. Either way, I believe honor is the correct word in both instances.
Like I said before you look at this in a totally different way than I do. You look at this as some sort of master/slave relationship. I look at this as a teacher/student relationship where if I choose to follow the teacher's example and words I will end up better off. If I choose not to I will still end up somewhere, and I hope I'm happy with it.
I get it though, some people like to learn things the hard way rather than learn from the experiences and wisdom of others. That's cool. I just try to learn from the experiences and wisdom of others as much as I can and learn as few lessons the hard way as possible. I've done a few the hard way and honestly it stinks.
My analogy is about a coach, teaching players. Are the players small and insignificant creatures stumbling around in the dark? No. Do they know as much as someone that's been there and knows how things work, not yet.
If you had never been to Spain, and you had no language issues, but didn't know the streets of Barcelona.... would you ask someone to help you find a specific place you were looking for or find a map or would you be all prideful and say you can find it on your own because you are just as smart as anyone else in this city and fumble around back and forth until you found it. Personally, I would rather ask someone that knows and speed things up and save me time, effort, pain and frustration. Other people on the other hand like to think of themselves as the most complex minds in the universe and think they can do it all on their own. That's fine. Just remember when you die eventually, and you still exist in some form.... ask for directions.
PearlWatson
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All I'm gonna tell you, is they didn't speak English when it was originally vocalized. There had to have been a translation at one point or another.
We could bicker about it all day, but I'm not going to convince anyone. Nor am I trying to; I'm simply trying to share what my open mind has seen as a possibility. I am simply asking that everyone take what evidence they have, all of it, and lead to the logical conclusion; it's possible, no matter how improbable. Wars have been started for less.
What do I believe? Not just believe it's a possibility?
I believe we're here trying to become perfect, so we can become like God. As all of us will sin, in order to be forgiven of those trespasses, we have to forgive others of their trespasses against us. How can I reconcile God not forgiving Lucifer of his trespasses, when taught that we can't be like God until we forgive?
There's a flaw somewhere in the system. Whether that's a lie a man told that was accepted by other men as truth, or something God's unwilling to tell us, or anything else, it just doesn't matter. We can not have such severe contradictions.
What do I believe? Not just believe it's a possibility?
I believe we're here trying to become perfect, so we can become like God. As all of us will sin, in order to be forgiven of those trespasses, we have to forgive others of their trespasses against us. How can I reconcile God not forgiving Lucifer of his trespasses, when taught that we can't be like God until we forgive?
There's a flaw somewhere in the system. Whether that's a lie a man told that was accepted by other men as truth, or something God's unwilling to tell us, or anything else, it just doesn't matter. We can not have such severe contradictions.
You pretty much just repeated my point. There is a process of learning that must occur. I'm saying, in the context of eternal development, a few thousand years is the mere blink of an eye. Not nearly enough time to gain the knowledge to understand God. So in the toddler analogy, after all those centuries, we're still toddlers.
And how exactly would you measure what is or isn't enough time? We don't exactly have a basis of comparison.
This really is just nit picking an unimportant aspect of my point.
I can't quantify it for you. But as I stated at the beginning of my original post, it's just my opinion. Maybe I'm wrong. But to me, that's the explanation that makes the most sense.