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End Compulsory Education?

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Well, of course.

That goes right along with knowing next to nothing period, and holding forth as the sage of Jazzfanz.

What did you expect????

Lol. I think that if you and I actually got into a discussion about hot button issues you'd be surprised. Also notice how I talke about cumpulsory education but not what should be taught or how it should be taught.
 
This guy really believes parents have children they don't care to raise and nurture, to mold into competent and good adults? We go through all the fights and struggles, sleepless nights, worrying about sickness, ensuring our children are getting enough education and entertainment, with some hard work and responsibility mixed in, constant guardians outside the time they spent in schools, yet for some unexplained reason we want the school to be a surrogate parent? How much more outlandish can these far right Utah lunatics get?

Get the hell out of here, jackass Senator Osmond. I bet you're filling your bomb shelter with a cache of guns and ammo too.

Aside from being from South Jordan, a stronghold of urban farmers and ********* barns, there's little I know about Osmond that I really approve. I was surprized he came out on this side of this issue.

I homeschool my kids, or try to. . . . . One day I was being visited by a conservative truly of the stripe who believes a cache of ammo and stashed guns in the pipes of the corral fences mean freedom in the information age was curious about this funny chart I was using to teach my ten-year olds.

" I went to a private school, but I never saw anything like this", he said.

It was the Periodic Chart of the Elements.

However, I do believe the public school institutions as they have been constructed in brick and mortar with a superfluous administrative staff must be changed with an educational revolution.

No reason we cannot go to Internet Education. No reason to go on paying for all the educational personnel and to keep those buildings doing little beyond warehousing kids and forcing parents to drive the loop to school and then work. We can do the job with half the staff, half the buildings, and half the compulsory indoctrination. . . . and get twice the actual preparation for jobs. . . . and ten times the effectiveness in building citizenship values. And one hundred times the level of freedom.
 
Aside from being from South Jordan, a stronghold of urban farmers and ********* barns, there's little I know about Osmond that I really approve. I was surprized he came out on this side of this issue.

He may have come out on the right side of the issue, for you, but the path taken to get there was being a condescending jackass and an ignoramus.

I've never met a single person who wants the schools to become surrogate parents. Not one even remotely close to that mindset. If they did then why would they bother with the children at all? It's nonsense, but I hear in the news every time this comes up that these people are swarming our neighborhoods. Yet I haven't met a single one yet.
 
He may have come out on the right side of the issue, for you, but the path taken to get there was being a condescending jackass and an ignoramus.

I've never met a single person who wants the schools to become surrogate parents. Not one even remotely close to that mindset. If they did then why would they bother with the children at all? It's nonsense, but I hear in the news every time this comes up that these people are swarming our neighborhoods. Yet I haven't met a single one yet.

I've meet tons. As for why they bothered with kids. It is not so much trying to have them as not caring enough to prevent it. That is from lack of education, lack or resources or just beeing blazed/buzzed out of their minds.
 
Aside from being from South Jordan, a stronghold of urban farmers and ********* barns, there's little I know about Osmond that I really approve. I was surprized he came out on this side of this issue.

I homeschool my kids, or try to. . . . . One day I was being visited by a conservative truly of the stripe who believes a cache of ammo and stashed guns in the pipes of the corral fences mean freedom in the information age was curious about this funny chart I was using to teach my ten-year olds.

" I went to a private school, but I never saw anything like this", he said.

It was the Periodic Chart of the Elements.

However, I do believe the public school institutions as they have been constructed in brick and mortar with a superfluous administrative staff must be changed with an educational revolution.

No reason we cannot go to Internet Education. No reason to go on paying for all the educational personnel and to keep those buildings doing little beyond warehousing kids and forcing parents to drive the loop to school and then work. We can do the job with half the staff, half the buildings, and half the compulsory indoctrination. . . . and get twice the actual preparation for jobs. . . . and ten times the effectiveness in building citizenship values. And one hundred times the level of freedom.

And your kids will be one hundred times more socially backward than any of their peers, will have no friends, will not date, will have no communication skills, and will generally be weird as ****. By show of hands, has anyone ever met a home schooled kid who DIDN'T fit this mold? Me either.
 
And your kids will be one hundred times more socially backward than any of their peers, will have no friends, will not date, will have no communication skills, and will generally be weird as ****. By show of hands, has anyone ever met a home schooled kid who DIDN'T fit this mold? Me either.

Raises hand. They compensated for this by having the kid very active in sports and other after school organizations. I think it was reading club, baseball, scouts...
 
Raises hand. They compensated for this by having the kid very active in sports and other after school organizations. I think it was reading club, baseball, scouts...

Nice. Nothing screams "normal" like "reading club".
 
Nice. Nothing screams "normal" like "reading club".

It's not OK to hate people that can read. Also normal is nothing more than a way to describe people like ourselves. The kid was as well rounded as any other child.
 
And your kids will be one hundred times more socially backward than any of their peers, will have no friends, will not date, will have no communication skills, and will generally be weird as ****. By show of hands, has anyone ever met a home schooled kid who DIDN'T fit this mold? Me either.

In our ghetto, kids from up and down the street like to come here to play. Something to do with a tree to climb, and animals. . . . but mostly because of the two kids on bikes zooming all around the neighborhood saying hi to everybody. Out in the sticks people do have limited social contacts generally, but everybody within eighty miles knows more about you than you can stand, and consider you neighbors.

I know your perspective is reasonable on the limited data you have from a more rigidly set life pattern, esconsced within the huge elementary/middle/high school complexes where survival requires self-imposed limited social circles and cliques or gangs, and the people you meet "coming in" from outside aka "homeschoolers" just don't know where they fit in, but free kids who aren't raised in a climate of fear turn out entirely fine.
 
Either style has its pros and drawbacks. Neither is clearly superior to the other.
 
He may have come out on the right side of the issue, for you, but the path taken to get there was being a condescending jackass and an ignoramus.

I've never met a single person who wants the schools to become surrogate parents. Not one even remotely close to that mindset. If they did then why would they bother with the children at all? It's nonsense, but I hear in the news every time this comes up that these people are swarming our neighborhoods. Yet I haven't met a single one yet.

Since me and my kids have met you, and like you, we're obliged to give what you think a lot of credibility generally. Personally, I am glad to have a report like this from somebody like you. I am sure it is based on substantial experience and observation. I am one who is guilty of supposing some parents just don't want to take the time to be responsible parents, but I have to admit I have not actually met very many parents who can factually be represented as examples of that genre.

Yes, I want to change the school system in broad ways to achieve economic efficiency and destroy the effective impacts I call "indoctrination" and "statist social management", and the fact that parents at least in Utah are largely responsible and concerned for giving their kids all the best life has to offer is my ace for that argument. I don't know about some other places very well, and well, let's say there may be some cultural mindsets say in some urban pockets where for various reasons there is not the same level of parental responsibility. I myself might wish for some kind of social management program to reverse that kind of trend where it exists. . . . . damn, I'm a socialist, am I not?
 
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