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End Compulsory Education?

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babe said:
Well, of course.

That goes right along with knowing next to nothing period, and holding forth as the tarragon of Jazzfanz.

What did you expect????
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Fixed.

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babe said:
In our ghetto, kids from up and down the street like to come here to play. Something to do with a tree to climb, and animals. . . . but mostly because of the two kids on bikes zooming all around the neighborhood saying hi to everybody. Out in the sticks people do have limited social contacts generally, but everybody within eighty miles knows more about you than you can stand, and consider you neighbors.

I know your perspective is reasonable on the limited data you have from a more rigidly set life pattern, esconsced within the huge elementary/middle/high school complexes where survival requires self-imposed limited social circles and cliques or gangs, and the people you meet "coming in" from outside aka "homeschoolers" just don't know where they fit in, but free kids who aren't raised in a climate of fear turn out entirely fine.
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The fact that you live in the boonies doesn't change anything. Of course there are exceptions to everything, and I imagine you and your family are one of them, but to prattle on about "self-imposed limited social circles, cliques or gangs" is absurd. That is what American culture is, like it or not. Do you want your kids to learn to deal with all of that nonsense, or are you happy just hiding them safely within the confines of your four walled home? That question isn't directed at you, babe, because like I said, you're probably an exception. I've met you and frankly, you are an exceptional man, so nothing would surprise me.

Anyhow, I love you all.
 
franklin said:
I've never met a single person who wants the schools to become surrogate parents. Not one even remotely close to that mindset. If they did then why would they bother with the children at all? It's nonsense, but I hear in the news every time this comes up that these people are swarming our neighborhoods. Yet I haven't met a single one yet.
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So there are no lazy parents out there? Am I reading that right?
 
E.J. Wells said:
And your kids will be one hundred times more socially backward than any of their peers, will have no friends, will not date, will have no communication skills, and will generally be weird as ****. By show of hands, has anyone ever met a home schooled kid who DIDN'T fit this mold? Me either.
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I've met one of babe's girl's and am pretty sure she'll turn out more socially rounded than I did. He claimed to have another, but I think it's some alter ego thing they're playing as a family.

babe said:
Yes, I want to change the school system in broad ways to achieve economic efficiency and destroy the effective impacts I call "indoctrination" and "statist social management", and the fact that parents at least in Utah are largely responsible and concerned for giving their kids all the best life has to offer is my ace for that argument. I don't know about some other places very well, and well, let's say there may be some cultural mindsets say in some urban pockets where for various reasons there is not the same level of parental responsibility. I myself might wish for some kind of social management program to reverse that kind of trend where it exists. . . . . damn, I'm a socialist, am I not?
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I have no qualms with efficiency or teaching children to be more objective, and most importantly how to determine what is and is not good history/evidence/sound science. People tend to be ideologically driven, and learning is supposed to reverse this animal instinct. That's hard to do with young minds with limited capacity. It has to come with time.

CONAN said:
So there are no lazy parents out there? Am I reading that right?
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Lazy parents ≠ wanting surrogate parents. And if a parent wants a surrogate parent then there children are better off in the state's hands.

Do you feel a temptation in your heart to stop loving your own children because they're learning how to bump nasties at school or something? This moral hazard that Senator Psycho is pushing does not exist. Bad parents will still be bad parents regardless of education being compulsory or not, and good parents will still be good parents. Taking away education will only compound the effects of bad parenting. Not the best idea, unless ghetto life is your thing.

And you know what, I don't have the slightest problem passing learning basics onto the school system. Yeah, I'm not absent in my children's education, but I don't go out of my way to replace a school teacher 100% either. We have them for a reason. They're better at it and it's more efficient.
 
E.J. Wells said:
Haha, that's awesome.

I agree with frank though, and honestly, I am not sure why you don't. Can you explain to me why he's off base? No homo.
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He seems like an angry little guy with some issues but whatever.

But to the point there are lazy parents who totally turn over the raising of their kids to other people for whatever reason. I've known several that even admitted to it but that doesn't matter. There are decent parents who also like to blame everyone else for the shortcomings of their kids except themselves and/or their precious child (not to exclude the system from blame). You can use the terms "surrogate" or "lazy" or whatever you want. Semantics. The point is those "parents" exist and I was reading that they don't. That's just not true. Now if I'm reading that wrong then sorry. And if that gets people upset about me coaching for some reason than that's just weird.
 
CONAN said:
He seems like an angry little guy with some issues but whatever.

But to the point there are lazy parents who totally turn over the raising of their kids to other people for whatever reason. I've known several that even admitted to it but that doesn't matter. There are decent parents who also like to blame everyone else for the shortcomings of their kids except themselves and/or their precious child (not to exclude the system from blame). You can use the terms "surrogate" or "lazy" or whatever you want. Semantics. The point is those "parents" exist and I was reading that they don't. That's just not true. Now if I'm reading that wrong then sorry. And if that gets people upset about me coaching for some reason than that's just weird.
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I grew up with a teacher and then a principal (alternative high school for 10 years), so I've heard tons of horror stories about idiot parents, some of them too crazy to fathom, but I don't think that's what franklin is saying. I could be wrong, but I agree with both of you, since both of you are saying two different things. Lazy parents, etc. aren't going to just abandon their kids on the corner if the school suddenly shuts down. They didn't take the time and effort to raise them just to toss them out. There are probably some crack whores out there that will, but let's be honest, probably 99.999% of them aren't going to do that.

I think Conan and franklin should have a pump off.
 
E.J. Wells said:
Lazy parents, etc. aren't going to just abandon their kids on the corner if the school suddenly shuts down. They didn't take the time and effort to raise them just to toss them out.
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I don't think anyone is tossing anyone out. What it would mean is instead of a kid playing video games when he gets home from school he'll just play them all day now.

Honestly, I have a hard time figuring out exactly what angry franklin is trying to say. But to address the article Osmond is a complete dumbass and you'd have more of them if you ended compulsory education. Having said that, there are some truths in some of the statements regarding parents blaming the system.

I think Conan and franklin should have a pump off.
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Wait til February. That's when I have 405 targeted.
 
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