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enjoy your 5-6 more years of "decent" jazz team fighting for the 8th playoff spot.

Urzajazz said:
because so many teams win championships by drafting players. No one besides the Spurs has done it in recent years.
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#1 Draft Picks since 1990:

1990-Derrick Coleman (New Jersey)
1991-Larry Johnson (Charlotte Hornets)
1992-Shaquille O'Neal (Orlando)
1993-Chris Webber (Orlando-Golden State)
1994-Glenn Robinson (Milwaukee)
1995-Joe Smith (Golden State)
1996-Allen Iverson (Philadelphia)
1997-Tim Duncan (San Antonio)
1998-Michael Olowokandi (LA Clippers)
1999-Elton Brand (Chicago)

2000-Kenyon Martin (New Jersey)
2001-Kwame Brown (Washington)
2002-Yao Ming (Houston)
2003-LeBron James (Cleveland)
2004-Dwight Howard (Orlando)
2005-Andrew Bogut (Milwaukee)
2006-Andrea Bargnani (Toronto)
2007-Greg Oden (Portland)
2008-Derrick Rose (Chicago)
2009-Blake Griffin (LA Clippers)

2010-John Wall (Washington)
2011-Kyrie Irving (Cleveland)
2012-Anthony Davis (New Orleans Hornets)
2013-Anthony Bennett (Cleveland)

Only Duncan won a Championship with the team that drafted him. O'Neal and James won Championships, but with other teams. O'Neal, Iverson and Howard made it to the Finals with their draft team, but lost.

If you want to go back further, here are #1 picks who won Championships with the team that drafted them since the 1963 draft:

1966 - Cazzie Russell (Knicks)
1969 - Lew Alcindor (Bucks)
1974 - Bill Walton (Blazers)
1979 - Magic Johnson (Lakers)
1982 - James Worthy (Lakers)
1984 - Hakeem Olajuwon (Rockets)
1987 - David Robinson (Spurs)

That's 8 times total, and of those 8 times, twice the #1 pick joined a previous #1 pick - Duncan+Robinson, and Worthy+Johnson. Robinson was on the downward slope of his career, though, and he'd never won on his own, even with some great teammates, so how much did he mean to that win? The pick used to select Worthy was acquired in a trade, as the Lakers were already the reigning Champions, so again, this pick comes with an asterisk. It's also questionable if Cazzie Russell's 11 PPG were the reason the 69-70 Knicks won it all, or whether it was more to do with Willis Reed, Walt Frazier, and Dave DeBusschere.

So in 50 years, just 5 #1 picks have changed the direction of a franchise and taken them to a Championship - Alcindor, Walton, Johnson, Olajuwon, and Duncan, and only two of them won multiple titles with their drafting teams, so between them they have 10 rings with their drafting teams (and Johnson alone has five of those). This is what all you pro-tankers are getting bent out of shape over? A 25% chance of a 10% chance of maybe winning a Championship, when history says that the odds of winning are higher if you acquire players by other means (including a high draft pick that *isn't* #1)?
 
The "Tankers" (of which I am one) are "bent out of shape" because this looks to be the strongest draft in a decade and they started out 1-12 but sit at 10-24 right now. They need talent. Some of the Core5 players may turn into very good (if not great) players, but it won't mean much without a #1 scorer. There's 30 teams vying for a championship every year. Can't get there without superstars, and the Jazz might miss out on one because they're winning garbage games against bad teams while playing veterans big minutes instead of getting young (hopefully future key) players quality minutes and experience without regard for the final score.
 
Mantis said:
#1 Draft Picks since 1990:

1990-Derrick Coleman (New Jersey)
1991-Larry Johnson (Charlotte Hornets)
1992-Shaquille O'Neal (Orlando)
1993-Chris Webber (Orlando-Golden State)
1994-Glenn Robinson (Milwaukee)
1995-Joe Smith (Golden State)
1996-Allen Iverson (Philadelphia)
1997-Tim Duncan (San Antonio)
1998-Michael Olowokandi (LA Clippers)
1999-Elton Brand (Chicago)

2000-Kenyon Martin (New Jersey)
2001-Kwame Brown (Washington)
2002-Yao Ming (Houston)
2003-LeBron James (Cleveland)
2004-Dwight Howard (Orlando)
2005-Andrew Bogut (Milwaukee)
2006-Andrea Bargnani (Toronto)
2007-Greg Oden (Portland)
2008-Derrick Rose (Chicago)
2009-Blake Griffin (LA Clippers)

2010-John Wall (Washington)
2011-Kyrie Irving (Cleveland)
2012-Anthony Davis (New Orleans Hornets)
2013-Anthony Bennett (Cleveland)

Only Duncan won a Championship with the team that drafted him. O'Neal and James won Championships, but with other teams. O'Neal, Iverson and Howard made it to the Finals with their draft team, but lost.

If you want to go back further, here are #1 picks who won Championships with the team that drafted them since the 1963 draft:

1966 - Cazzie Russell (Knicks)
1969 - Lew Alcindor (Bucks)
1974 - Bill Walton (Blazers)
1979 - Magic Johnson (Lakers)
1982 - James Worthy (Lakers)
1984 - Hakeem Olajuwon (Rockets)
1987 - David Robinson (Spurs)

That's 8 times total, and of those 8 times, twice the #1 pick joined a previous #1 pick - Duncan+Robinson, and Worthy+Johnson. Robinson was on the downward slope of his career, though, and he'd never won on his own, even with some great teammates, so how much did he mean to that win? The pick used to select Worthy was acquired in a trade, as the Lakers were already the reigning Champions, so again, this pick comes with an asterisk. It's also questionable if Cazzie Russell's 11 PPG were the reason the 69-70 Knicks won it all, or whether it was more to do with Willis Reed, Walt Frazier, and Dave DeBusschere.

So in 50 years, just 5 #1 picks have changed the direction of a franchise and taken them to a Championship - Alcindor, Walton, Johnson, Olajuwon, and Duncan, and only two of them won multiple titles with their drafting teams, so between them they have 10 rings with their drafting teams (and Johnson alone has five of those). This is what all you pro-tankers are getting bent out of shape over? A 25% chance of a 10% chance of maybe winning a Championship, when history says that the odds of winning are higher if you acquire players by other means (including a high draft pick that *isn't* #1)?
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You're right, Lebron and Shaq suck.

Stop the tank. High draft picks suck.

Let's make the playoffs as an 8th seed and get swept in 4 games and play 2 players who won't be back 40+ mins per game!

Yahoooooooooo Jazz Nation awake Up!!!
 
Urzajazz said:
because so many teams win championships by drafting players. No one besides the Spurs has done it in recent years.
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Dwayne wade was drafted by miami. 3 championships.
Dirk was drafted by dallas. Championship.
Kobe was drafted by lakers.
5 championships.
Paul pierce and rondo were drafted by boston.
1 or 2 championships. (Cant remember)
Parker and duncan drafted by spurs.
4 championships.


Then ya have orlando (drafted dwight) and cleveland (drafted lebron) who each made it to the finals.

Buy ya no one wins championships by drafting players.
It would have been easy for all those teams without those players they drafted
 
The Fresh Prince said:
They can get elite talent if one of our players blow up into elite talent.
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Agreed.... that is what a lot of us were hopin for.

But I think most of us can tell that no one on our roster is a tim duncan, lebron, kobe, kevin durant level player.

Hell I doubt anyone on our roster is even a paul pierce, paul george, kevin love, aldrige, cp3, james harden level of player.

Which is why our draft pick is so important
 
kabenac said:
I want Patterson or Monroe. One of the two will probably be there at 9. If not, take Whiteside and hope he's decent.
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So you showed that teams made mistakes in the draft.

But do you realize that when portland took sam bowie #1, they had the opportunity to pick MICHAEL JORDAN (6 championships) and made the wrong pick?

I'm not sure if you know this but having the #1 pick means you draft anyone you want in the draft.

I hope if the jazz get the #1 pick that dennis lindsey is good enough at his job to pick the michael jordan instead of the sam bowie.

So far in his one draft for the jazz hr picked burke, gobert, and neto.... which was a homerun for that draft imo, so I trust his drafting skills
 
^^^^^^ no idea why that post was quoted...... it was suppossed to quote the one showing all the #1 draft picks that mantis posted
 
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