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enjoy your 5-6 more years of "decent" jazz team fighting for the 8th playoff spot.

some of u bros just dont get that the journey can sometimes be just as enjojble as the destination, especially when u have no control over it.
 
Tank is not dead at all. We will be in bottom 5 easily. Won't be enough for Parker though...
 
It started out so promising. It's too bad that fans have a better idea of what needs to happen than the Jazz do. He'll, if they're going to win, I wish they'd have just let Corbin go and hired Jeff Hornaceck. At least we'd know that they have a great coach for the future. Jazz just get to piss away another potential chance to get an impact player.
 
because so many teams win championships by drafting players. No one besides the Spurs has done it in recent years.
 
Burke gonna take a **** on your 'decent' label, just like he's taking a **** on this seasons tank.
 
yamers said:
the jazz are a small market team.
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That doesn't mean they can't bring in talent in free agency. Just means they got to pay more for it. Winning the magical draft lottery doesn't mean automatic championship. You also don't win a championship without making the playoffs..
 
Urzajazz said:
That doesn't mean they can't bring in talent in free agency. Just means they got to pay more for it. Winning the magical draft lottery doesn't mean automatic championship. You also don't win a championship without making the playoffs..
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Elite talent tends to win championships(only recent exception was the Pistons). The Jazz can't get that elite talent on the market. There are just too many other offers out there that are more intriguing to free agents of that caliber. The only way the Jazz can get elite talent is through the draft. If the goal is to continue to be mediocre with no chance at a title then they are on the path to that. Without hitting it big in the coming draft they will not be a title contender in the foreseeable future.
 
Urzajazz said:
because so many teams win championships by drafting players. No one besides the Spurs has done it in recent years.
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#1 Draft Picks since 1990:

1990-Derrick Coleman (New Jersey)
1991-Larry Johnson (Charlotte Hornets)
1992-Shaquille O'Neal (Orlando)
1993-Chris Webber (Orlando-Golden State)
1994-Glenn Robinson (Milwaukee)
1995-Joe Smith (Golden State)
1996-Allen Iverson (Philadelphia)
1997-Tim Duncan (San Antonio)
1998-Michael Olowokandi (LA Clippers)
1999-Elton Brand (Chicago)

2000-Kenyon Martin (New Jersey)
2001-Kwame Brown (Washington)
2002-Yao Ming (Houston)
2003-LeBron James (Cleveland)
2004-Dwight Howard (Orlando)
2005-Andrew Bogut (Milwaukee)
2006-Andrea Bargnani (Toronto)
2007-Greg Oden (Portland)
2008-Derrick Rose (Chicago)
2009-Blake Griffin (LA Clippers)

2010-John Wall (Washington)
2011-Kyrie Irving (Cleveland)
2012-Anthony Davis (New Orleans Hornets)
2013-Anthony Bennett (Cleveland)

Only Duncan won a Championship with the team that drafted him. O'Neal and James won Championships, but with other teams. O'Neal, Iverson and Howard made it to the Finals with their draft team, but lost.

If you want to go back further, here are #1 picks who won Championships with the team that drafted them since the 1963 draft:

1966 - Cazzie Russell (Knicks)
1969 - Lew Alcindor (Bucks)
1974 - Bill Walton (Blazers)
1979 - Magic Johnson (Lakers)
1982 - James Worthy (Lakers)
1984 - Hakeem Olajuwon (Rockets)
1987 - David Robinson (Spurs)

That's 8 times total, and of those 8 times, twice the #1 pick joined a previous #1 pick - Duncan+Robinson, and Worthy+Johnson. Robinson was on the downward slope of his career, though, and he'd never won on his own, even with some great teammates, so how much did he mean to that win? The pick used to select Worthy was acquired in a trade, as the Lakers were already the reigning Champions, so again, this pick comes with an asterisk. It's also questionable if Cazzie Russell's 11 PPG were the reason the 69-70 Knicks won it all, or whether it was more to do with Willis Reed, Walt Frazier, and Dave DeBusschere.

So in 50 years, just 5 #1 picks have changed the direction of a franchise and taken them to a Championship - Alcindor, Walton, Johnson, Olajuwon, and Duncan, and only two of them won multiple titles with their drafting teams, so between them they have 10 rings with their drafting teams (and Johnson alone has five of those). This is what all you pro-tankers are getting bent out of shape over? A 25% chance of a 10% chance of maybe winning a Championship, when history says that the odds of winning are higher if you acquire players by other means (including a high draft pick that *isn't* #1)?
 
The "Tankers" (of which I am one) are "bent out of shape" because this looks to be the strongest draft in a decade and they started out 1-12 but sit at 10-24 right now. They need talent. Some of the Core5 players may turn into very good (if not great) players, but it won't mean much without a #1 scorer. There's 30 teams vying for a championship every year. Can't get there without superstars, and the Jazz might miss out on one because they're winning garbage games against bad teams while playing veterans big minutes instead of getting young (hopefully future key) players quality minutes and experience without regard for the final score.
 
Mantis said:
#1 Draft Picks since 1990:

1990-Derrick Coleman (New Jersey)
1991-Larry Johnson (Charlotte Hornets)
1992-Shaquille O'Neal (Orlando)
1993-Chris Webber (Orlando-Golden State)
1994-Glenn Robinson (Milwaukee)
1995-Joe Smith (Golden State)
1996-Allen Iverson (Philadelphia)
1997-Tim Duncan (San Antonio)
1998-Michael Olowokandi (LA Clippers)
1999-Elton Brand (Chicago)

2000-Kenyon Martin (New Jersey)
2001-Kwame Brown (Washington)
2002-Yao Ming (Houston)
2003-LeBron James (Cleveland)
2004-Dwight Howard (Orlando)
2005-Andrew Bogut (Milwaukee)
2006-Andrea Bargnani (Toronto)
2007-Greg Oden (Portland)
2008-Derrick Rose (Chicago)
2009-Blake Griffin (LA Clippers)

2010-John Wall (Washington)
2011-Kyrie Irving (Cleveland)
2012-Anthony Davis (New Orleans Hornets)
2013-Anthony Bennett (Cleveland)

Only Duncan won a Championship with the team that drafted him. O'Neal and James won Championships, but with other teams. O'Neal, Iverson and Howard made it to the Finals with their draft team, but lost.

If you want to go back further, here are #1 picks who won Championships with the team that drafted them since the 1963 draft:

1966 - Cazzie Russell (Knicks)
1969 - Lew Alcindor (Bucks)
1974 - Bill Walton (Blazers)
1979 - Magic Johnson (Lakers)
1982 - James Worthy (Lakers)
1984 - Hakeem Olajuwon (Rockets)
1987 - David Robinson (Spurs)

That's 8 times total, and of those 8 times, twice the #1 pick joined a previous #1 pick - Duncan+Robinson, and Worthy+Johnson. Robinson was on the downward slope of his career, though, and he'd never won on his own, even with some great teammates, so how much did he mean to that win? The pick used to select Worthy was acquired in a trade, as the Lakers were already the reigning Champions, so again, this pick comes with an asterisk. It's also questionable if Cazzie Russell's 11 PPG were the reason the 69-70 Knicks won it all, or whether it was more to do with Willis Reed, Walt Frazier, and Dave DeBusschere.

So in 50 years, just 5 #1 picks have changed the direction of a franchise and taken them to a Championship - Alcindor, Walton, Johnson, Olajuwon, and Duncan, and only two of them won multiple titles with their drafting teams, so between them they have 10 rings with their drafting teams (and Johnson alone has five of those). This is what all you pro-tankers are getting bent out of shape over? A 25% chance of a 10% chance of maybe winning a Championship, when history says that the odds of winning are higher if you acquire players by other means (including a high draft pick that *isn't* #1)?
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You're right, Lebron and Shaq suck.

Stop the tank. High draft picks suck.

Let's make the playoffs as an 8th seed and get swept in 4 games and play 2 players who won't be back 40+ mins per game!

Yahoooooooooo Jazz Nation awake Up!!!
 
Urzajazz said:
because so many teams win championships by drafting players. No one besides the Spurs has done it in recent years.
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Dwayne wade was drafted by miami. 3 championships.
Dirk was drafted by dallas. Championship.
Kobe was drafted by lakers.
5 championships.
Paul pierce and rondo were drafted by boston.
1 or 2 championships. (Cant remember)
Parker and duncan drafted by spurs.
4 championships.


Then ya have orlando (drafted dwight) and cleveland (drafted lebron) who each made it to the finals.

Buy ya no one wins championships by drafting players.
It would have been easy for all those teams without those players they drafted
 
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