Entire Jazz Team is in Utah

[The Midnight]

The ENTIRE team?

In UTAH?

Wow..

I mean, last time i checked they are the UTAH Jazz right?

 

[Peter_Mentor]

On this date, I learned that practicing on vacation is a sign of a bad team culture. Not that the players are committed to a common goal. Not that some of the players had shown a positive example and got the rest to join. All practices that apply to a nine-to-five job also apply to pro sports. Damn, you live, you learn.

 

[Step-Back Lauri]

Why have you decided to go after me, though? I think we all came here because we want to talk about the Jazz: discussing if a random internet nick is stupid is pretty boring. You could have just said that based on your experience you believe that all 15 Jazz players decided to cut their free time short y because each of them truly wanted to do it and that there was no outside pressure whatsoever. It's an interesting take to me and I would consider it.

Unlike you, I have no experience with pro athletes and their everyday life but I think that free time is valuable for all people. In my experience it was incredibly hard to make sure that 10+ people all show up for some multi-day event or trip even when all of them truly wanted to be there. There was always something preventing some of folks from going: family events, their relationships, health of family members, some other cool things that they would have to miss... I guess it is possible that pro athletes are different and do not have to deal with any of this. I'll think about it.

Just come on man...

They've had months of time they can do whatever they want. They probably knew long time ago the date they're be back to Utah.
Poor boys, maybe they all should skip the whole season

 

[HermanG]

On this date, I learned that practicing on vacation is a sign of a bad team culture. Not that the players are committed to a common goal. Not that some of the players had shown a positive example and got the rest to join. All practices that apply to a nine-to-five job also apply to pro sports. Damn, you live, you learn.

Funniest part is that he uses a real company as a comparison and tells "how hard it is to get people to come even if its something where they wanna be".... and then he doesnt pause to think that these millionaire athletes did exactly that: Showed up when they didnt have to.

I guess his theory is that Jazz FO somehow "makes sure people volunteer", like they are the Gestapo or something.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Why have you decided to go after me, though? I think we all came here because we want to talk about the Jazz: discussing if a random internet nick is stupid is pretty boring. You could have just said that based on your experience you believe that all 15 Jazz players decided to cut their free time short y because each of them truly wanted to do it and that there was no outside pressure whatsoever. It's an interesting take to me and I would consider it.

Unlike you, I have no experience with pro athletes and their everyday life but I think that free time is valuable for all people. In my experience it was incredibly hard to make sure that 10+ people all show up for some multi-day event or trip even when all of them truly wanted to be there. There was always something preventing some of folks from going: family events, their relationships, health of family members, some other cool things that they would have to miss... I guess it is possible that pro athletes are different and do not have to deal with any of this. I'll think about it.

I push back on opinions that are objectively stupid

 

[jazznik]

Just come on man...

They've had months of time they can do whatever they want. They probably knew long time ago the date they're be back to Utah.
Poor boys, maybe they all should skip the whole season

You know at one time I knew really well a couple of folks who did a seasonal work for something like 6 months of the year (think fishermen, gold miners). They flew in, worked hard and then chilled for a half of the year. I really do not remember any of them coming back to work 2 weeks earlier "to prepare". Everyone had things to do despite months of free time and flew in just a day or two before. I know this is just my personal experience and those guys did not play basketball for a living. I see the argument "they are professional athletes" thrown a lot and I am curious if those who use it are actually very familiar with the everyday lives of professional athletes or if they just imagine how professional athletes live.

 

[jazznik]

Funniest part is that he uses a real company as a comparison and tells "how hard it is to get people to come even if its something where they wanna be".... and then he doesnt pause to think that these millionaire athletes did exactly that: Showed up when they didnt have to.

I guess his theory is that Jazz FO somehow "makes sure people volunteer", like they are the Gestapo or something.

You know I would have no problems if I heard the report that 8 or 10 Jazz players are practicing early. And that other guys may come in later or just for the official start of the camp. Someone mentioned #culture. You know, the Jazz culture in the last 2 years was that the team ruthlessly dump half of their players every year via trades or not renewing the contracts. There is exactly one player who was still on the Jazz 2 years ago. Given that it is pretty amazing that now the Jazz players suddenly developed such an appreciation and dedication to the team that they voluntarily cut their free time short because of #culture.

Ask yourself: would you expect to find a strong team culture in a company with >90% 2-year turnover rate?

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

I really did not like this news. They should still have almost 2 weeks of vacation. And I understand that some players want to start the season early...but all of them? People have families, all kind of things going on and I really, really doubt that every single Jazz players was chomping on the bit to cut their vacation time two weeks short and get to work. Most likely some felt that simply could not say no "because of the implications", and that speaks really bad about the team culture.

Oh, and to all people liking that news: I sincerely wish that you will never end up working at the company where you would be afraid to say "no" to "suggestions" from the management/senior coworkers and will have to lose some of your vacation time or "volunteer" working for free.

Please tell me you are smarter than this. These are millionaires. They know when they are supposed to be in Utah and wouldn’t be there if they didn’t want to be.

 

[jazznik]

Please tell me you are smarter than this. These are millionaires. They know when they are supposed to be in Utah and wouldn’t be there if they didn’t want to be.

Again, what makes you to be so sure about it? Do you have a lot of first-hand knowledge about the life of the NBA players? Where all of this certainty is coming from?

If you are talking specifically about the millionaires I know really well two of them (my relatives). One is a business owner and he is not spending that much time in office: he travels a lot with friends and family year-round - for fun and expensive hobbies. Another one, a successful corporate lawyer, is damn sure to not show up at work at any time during his time off: he spends it at his second and third houses enjoying life (as a corporate lawyer he also works mostly 9-to-5 unlike the poor souls at law firms).

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Please tell me you are smarter than this. These are millionaires. They know when they are supposed to be in Utah and wouldn’t be there if they didn’t want to be.

And they love their jobs. They love playing ball. They want to be the best for their pride and their paycheck

 

[Watcher]

I really did not like this news. They should still have almost 2 weeks of vacation. And I understand that some players want to start the season early...but all of them? People have families, all kind of things going on and I really, really doubt that every single Jazz players was chomping on the bit to cut their vacation time two weeks short and get to work. Most likely some felt that simply could not say no "because of the implications", and that speaks really bad about the team culture.

Oh, and to all people liking that news: I sincerely wish that you will never end up working at the company where you would be afraid to say "no" to "suggestions" from the management/senior coworkers and will have to lose some of your vacation time or "volunteer" working for free.

Alternate perspective: We know from years and years (even decades) of observation that these guys work out and work on their game all summer long (minus plenty of time they vacation). They'll definitely be working hard to be ready for training camp. At some point they'd rather work out with their teammates than with their personal trainer that they're tired of.

 

[jazznik]

And they love their jobs. They love playing ball. They want to be the best for their pride and their paycheck

Again, how do you know that? Because they say so?

What makes you think that most of NBA players are not doing it simply because of all the money they can get? Especially the forwards and bigs. If you are 6'7" or taller and have a decent athleticism you are heavily pushed since the middle school/early high school to become an NBA player and make a bank - regardless of their interests and passions. The NBA history is riddled with so many examples of players like Amaechi, Bynum or Ayton who simply could not keep putting effort into basketball after they made their first millions - and it cost the a lot of money. And I am sure there are way, way more basketball players who manage to stick to the job routine despite disliking the job throughout their careers.