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Entire Jazz Team is in Utah

I really did not like this news. They should still have almost 2 weeks of vacation. And I understand that some players want to start the season early...but all of them? People have families, all kind of things going on and I really, really doubt that every single Jazz players was chomping on the bit to cut their vacation time two weeks short and get to work. Most likely some felt that simply could not say no "because of the implications", and that speaks really bad about the team culture.

Oh, and to all people liking that news: I sincerely wish that you will never end up working at the company where you would be afraid to say "no" to "suggestions" from the management/senior coworkers and will have to lose some of your vacation time or "volunteer" working for free.
 
jazznik said:
I really did not like this news. They should still have almost 2 weeks of vacation. And I understand that some players want to start the season early...but all of them? People have families, all kind of things going on and I really, really doubt that every single Jazz players was chomping on the bit to cut their vacation time two weeks short and get to work. Most likely some felt that simply could not say no "because of the implications", and that speaks really bad about the team culture.

Oh, and to all people liking that news: I sincerely wish that you will never end up working at the company where you would be afraid to say "no" to "suggestions" from the management/senior coworkers and will have to lose some of your vacation time or "volunteer" working for free.
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Players vacation at the start of the off-season.... These are pro athletes....

Is your schtick just to be stupid on purpose?
 
jazznik said:
I really did not like this news. They should still have almost 2 weeks of vacation. And I understand that some players want to start the season early...but all of them? People have families, all kind of things going on and I really, really doubt that every single Jazz players was chomping on the bit to cut their vacation time two weeks short and get to work. Most likely some felt that simply could not say no "because of the implications", and that speaks really bad about the team culture.

Oh, and to all people liking that news: I sincerely wish that you will never end up working at the company where you would be afraid to say "no" to "suggestions" from the management/senior coworkers and will have to lose some of your vacation time or "volunteer" working for free.
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It has been like 5 months since these guys last went to work. The days when you could turn up to training camp out of shape are long gone.
 
Working overtime to be negative lmao. If they showed up two weeks later, we’d get a post whining and complaining that they didn’t show up earlier.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Players vacation at the start of the off-season.... These are pro athletes....

Is your schtick just to be stupid on purpose?
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Why have you decided to go after me, though? I think we all came here because we want to talk about the Jazz: discussing if a random internet nick is stupid is pretty boring. You could have just said that based on your experience you believe that all 15 Jazz players decided to cut their free time short y because each of them truly wanted to do it and that there was no outside pressure whatsoever. It's an interesting take to me and I would consider it.

Unlike you, I have no experience with pro athletes and their everyday life but I think that free time is valuable for all people. In my experience it was incredibly hard to make sure that 10+ people all show up for some multi-day event or trip even when all of them truly wanted to be there. There was always something preventing some of folks from going: family events, their relationships, health of family members, some other cool things that they would have to miss... I guess it is possible that pro athletes are different and do not have to deal with any of this. I'll think about it.
 
On this date, I learned that practicing on vacation is a sign of a bad team culture. Not that the players are committed to a common goal. Not that some of the players had shown a positive example and got the rest to join. All practices that apply to a nine-to-five job also apply to pro sports. Damn, you live, you learn.
 
jazznik said:
Why have you decided to go after me, though? I think we all came here because we want to talk about the Jazz: discussing if a random internet nick is stupid is pretty boring. You could have just said that based on your experience you believe that all 15 Jazz players decided to cut their free time short y because each of them truly wanted to do it and that there was no outside pressure whatsoever. It's an interesting take to me and I would consider it.

Unlike you, I have no experience with pro athletes and their everyday life but I think that free time is valuable for all people. In my experience it was incredibly hard to make sure that 10+ people all show up for some multi-day event or trip even when all of them truly wanted to be there. There was always something preventing some of folks from going: family events, their relationships, health of family members, some other cool things that they would have to miss... I guess it is possible that pro athletes are different and do not have to deal with any of this. I'll think about it.
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Just come on man...

They've had months of time they can do whatever they want. They probably knew long time ago the date they're be back to Utah.
Poor boys, maybe they all should skip the whole season
 
Peter_Mentor said:
On this date, I learned that practicing on vacation is a sign of a bad team culture. Not that the players are committed to a common goal. Not that some of the players had shown a positive example and got the rest to join. All practices that apply to a nine-to-five job also apply to pro sports. Damn, you live, you learn.
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Funniest part is that he uses a real company as a comparison and tells "how hard it is to get people to come even if its something where they wanna be".... and then he doesnt pause to think that these millionaire athletes did exactly that: Showed up when they didnt have to.

I guess his theory is that Jazz FO somehow "makes sure people volunteer", like they are the Gestapo or something.
 
jazznik said:
Why have you decided to go after me, though? I think we all came here because we want to talk about the Jazz: discussing if a random internet nick is stupid is pretty boring. You could have just said that based on your experience you believe that all 15 Jazz players decided to cut their free time short y because each of them truly wanted to do it and that there was no outside pressure whatsoever. It's an interesting take to me and I would consider it.

Unlike you, I have no experience with pro athletes and their everyday life but I think that free time is valuable for all people. In my experience it was incredibly hard to make sure that 10+ people all show up for some multi-day event or trip even when all of them truly wanted to be there. There was always something preventing some of folks from going: family events, their relationships, health of family members, some other cool things that they would have to miss... I guess it is possible that pro athletes are different and do not have to deal with any of this. I'll think about it.
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I push back on opinions that are objectively stupid
 
Step-Back Lauri said:
Just come on man...

They've had months of time they can do whatever they want. They probably knew long time ago the date they're be back to Utah.
Poor boys, maybe they all should skip the whole season
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You know at one time I knew really well a couple of folks who did a seasonal work for something like 6 months of the year (think fishermen, gold miners). They flew in, worked hard and then chilled for a half of the year. I really do not remember any of them coming back to work 2 weeks earlier "to prepare". Everyone had things to do despite months of free time and flew in just a day or two before. I know this is just my personal experience and those guys did not play basketball for a living. I see the argument "they are professional athletes" thrown a lot and I am curious if those who use it are actually very familiar with the everyday lives of professional athletes or if they just imagine how professional athletes live.
 
HermanG said:
Funniest part is that he uses a real company as a comparison and tells "how hard it is to get people to come even if its something where they wanna be".... and then he doesnt pause to think that these millionaire athletes did exactly that: Showed up when they didnt have to.

I guess his theory is that Jazz FO somehow "makes sure people volunteer", like they are the Gestapo or something.
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You know I would have no problems if I heard the report that 8 or 10 Jazz players are practicing early. And that other guys may come in later or just for the official start of the camp. Someone mentioned #culture. You know, the Jazz culture in the last 2 years was that the team ruthlessly dump half of their players every year via trades or not renewing the contracts. There is exactly one player who was still on the Jazz 2 years ago. Given that it is pretty amazing that now the Jazz players suddenly developed such an appreciation and dedication to the team that they voluntarily cut their free time short because of #culture.

Ask yourself: would you expect to find a strong team culture in a company with >90% 2-year turnover rate?
 
jazznik said:
I really did not like this news. They should still have almost 2 weeks of vacation. And I understand that some players want to start the season early...but all of them? People have families, all kind of things going on and I really, really doubt that every single Jazz players was chomping on the bit to cut their vacation time two weeks short and get to work. Most likely some felt that simply could not say no "because of the implications", and that speaks really bad about the team culture.

Oh, and to all people liking that news: I sincerely wish that you will never end up working at the company where you would be afraid to say "no" to "suggestions" from the management/senior coworkers and will have to lose some of your vacation time or "volunteer" working for free.
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Please tell me you are smarter than this. These are millionaires. They know when they are supposed to be in Utah and wouldn’t be there if they didn’t want to be.
 
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