ESPN INSIDER Lottery draft guide: Jazz must build around Favors

[Stifle Tower]

1. Corbin wanted to stagger the young players' minutes so that all of them got opportunities to lead the offense. All 5 of the top young players on the team averaged 10+ field goal attempts per game, which is an incredibly rare feat for a collection of players this young.

2. Corbin wasn't comfortable with Gordo defending big, athletic wing players (the 3, primarily) and/or the trio of Burke-Burks-Gordo defending the perimeter together. RJ was a disaster defensively, so...

3. You don't necessarily want your most effective scorers on the floor. You want your most effective lineups on the floor. How the talent matches (and plays defense) matters; having 5 good iso scorers on the court who can't defend or play off-ball is a recipe for disaster.


I'm not sure what you think my argument was. I was only saying that additional minutes wouldn't have made that much difference in projecting Alec's ability. I'm not sure I'm all that convinced of that fwiw. I also think it's worth considering what the consequences of relegating Gordo to a secondary off-ball role would have been.

I get that. But if the Jazz are thinking that Burke-Burks-Hayward-Favors-Kanter are going to be the starting lineup in 2014/15, wouldn't it have been a good idea to see more of that this past season?

I suppose the rebuttal is Burks may still be seen as a 6th man and Lindsey will bring in another starter at SF instead of moving Hayward there.

 

[Sexual Favors]

Gordo has great height, and a decent amount of lateral speed to man the 2 spot, but it's hard to imagine him ever stopping KD, or Lebron with his 6'8" wingspan. Enter A. Gordon. Burks 6th man again.

 

[fishonjazz]

Gordo has great height, and a decent amount of lateral speed to man the 2 spot, but it's hard to imagine him ever stopping KD, or Lebron with his 6'8" wingspan. Enter A. Gordon. Burks 6th man again.

A line up of burke, hayward, gordon, favors, kanter looks like it needs an alpha dog wing scorer to me.

Is it just simply unthinkable to have hayward as the 6th man?

 

[orangello]

He should be starting at PG, playing an all-attack mode a la Parker. And we should see what Trey will fetch on the trade market.

I'm definitely still stoked about Burks.

I like all of this.

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[Saint Cy of JFC]

"Build Around Favors" is code for make him the center and get rid of Kanter in favor of a more athletic 4.

AKA draft Aaron Gordon.

 

[Sexual Favors]

A line up of burke, hayward, gordon, favors, kanter looks like it needs an alpha dog wing scorer to me.

Is it just simply unthinkable to have hayward as the 6th man?

No. Not for me. I would like to see the two of them alternated until we find out what is best. Hayward and Burks had identical 3rd yr numbers (saying this w/o having looked them up), so I'm not sure Hayward should be anointed as starter forever, but they are both 2's.

A lineup I proposed a while back and got hated on for was:

Burks
Hayward
A. Gordon
Kanter
Favors
(W/ kanter and Favors alternating based on matchup).

Burks isn't a natural PG, but he also isn't devoid of playmaking. Hayward and A. Gordon are both good playmakers for the forward spot. At the least, I'd like to see it in some preseason games if we draft A. Gordon.


It would be an uptempo lineup, which suits all of those players. I think the increase in tempo, and having Kanter shoot some 3's, and also having someone like burks who defenses have to watch out there, would alleviate Hayward, thus his 3 pt'er might return.

 

[Sexual Favors]

"Build Around Favors" is code for make him the center and get rid of Kanter in favor of a more athletic 4.

AKA draft Aaron Gordon.

This is where we differ. I see Gordon's real value and upside as the 3. A frontcourt of Favors and A. Gordon would be athletic, sure, but very undersized. At PF , gordon is just shy of 6'8 (w/o shoes), and at C, Favors is just shy of 6'9" (w/o shoes). Also, I'm not sure you are utilizing A. Gordon's true offensive weapons--which are his front to the basket game, and ball handling. I feel like A. Gordon necessitates Kanter, because you will need the consistent shooting.



Also, Kanter is pretty athletic for his size, and at 6'10" w/o shoes), 6'11.25" (w/ shoes) should probably be the C in that lineup. Like:

Kanter - C w/ help D from Favors
Favors - PF - w/ help D. From A. Gordon, and Kanteretc.
A. Gordon - SF w/ help from Favors and Kanter on leakers and Hayward on his man when A. Gordon himself rotates, etc.



As good as Favors is defensively, he performed below expectations at the C last year, and that was because he was A. undersized, and B. paired next to a smaller 4 in Marvin Williams (who is an excellent defender at the 3), and RJ at the 3 who was a non-defender. Why repeat the shortcomings of last year, while taking away Marvin's stretch capabilities? Gordon at the 3, or the value drops significantly.

 

[fishonjazz]

No. Not for me. I would like to see the two of them alternated until we find out what is best. Hayward and Burks had identical 3rd yr numbers (saying this w/o having looked them up), so I'm not sure Hayward should be anointed as starter forever, but they are both 2's.

A lineup I proposed a while back and got hated on for was:

Burks
Hayward
A. Gordon
Kanter
Favors
(W/ kanter and Favors alternating based on matchup).

Burks isn't a natural PG, but he also isn't devoid of playmaking. Hayward and A. Gordon are both good playmakers for the forward spot. At the least, I'd like to see it in some preseason games if we draft A. Gordon.


It would be an uptempo lineup, which suits all of those players. I think the increase in tempo, and having Kanter shoot some 3's, and also having someone like burks who defenses have to watch out there, would alleviate Hayward, thus his 3 pt'er might return.

I would like to see that lineup for a bit even though i think burks is much more suited for the SG position.

It sucks cause last year would have been a great time to try some of these types of things..... instead JEFFERSON STARTED EVERY GAME (cant believe that happened) at the 3 (except like the last 4 games or so) and very little experimentation occured without an injury forcing it.

 

[b_line]

Let's just trade Kanter and 23 for the 7th pick, and draft Vonleh and Gordon. That way we can have this lineup:

Burke
Hayward
Gordon
Vonleh
Favors

Burks and Neto leading the bench charge.

 

[Sexual Favors]

Let's just trade Kanter and 23 for the 7th pick, and draft Vonleh and Gordon. That way we can have this lineup:

Burke
Hayward
Gordon
Vonleh
Favors

Burks and Neto leading the bench charge.

No thank you.

Kanter and 23 is too much to gamble on what is most likely a crossgrade.


There is no reason Kanter cannot learn adequate positional defense.

Go back and review how he ended the season. There were some definite improvements on his part.

 

[Crawlnstall]

I dont post here much, but I've been a huge fan of Burks since we drafted him. I really hope we sign him to a long term deal. He has the highest ceiling IMO. I'd hate to see him go in a trade. Funnest to watch, crazy potential, and he has the alpha dog attitude. I don't see any of our guys viewing themselves as a #1 option, only Burks. With the right coach and playing time he could easily be better than Derozan, especially if he can get his jump shot down

 

[fishonjazz]

I like this guy ;-)

 

[sgjazzfan]

This is where we differ. I see Gordon's real value and upside as the 3. A frontcourt of Favors and A. Gordon would be athletic, sure, but very undersized. At PF , gordon is just shy of 6'8 (w/o shoes), and at C, Favors is just shy of 6'9" (w/o shoes). Also, I'm not sure you are utilizing A. Gordon's true offensive weapons--which are his front to the basket game, and ball handling. I feel like A. Gordon necessitates Kanter, because you will need the consistent shooting.



Also, Kanter is pretty athletic for his size, and at 6'10" w/o shoes), 6'11.25" (w/ shoes) should probably be the C in that lineup. Like:

Kanter - C w/ help D from Favors
Favors - PF - w/ help D. From A. Gordon, and Kanteretc.
A. Gordon - SF w/ help from Favors and Kanter on leakers and Hayward on his man when A. Gordon himself rotates, etc.



As good as Favors is defensively, he performed below expectations at the C last year, and that was because he was A. undersized, and B. paired next to a smaller 4 in Marvin Williams (who is an excellent defender at the 3), and RJ at the 3 who was a non-defender. Why repeat the shortcomings of last year, while taking away Marvin's stretch capabilities? Gordon at the 3, or the value drops significantly.

Exactly. Gordon is too light and short to play defense in the post against NBA PF. He is also short for a PF and has no back to the basket game. He might not be able to shoot but would be great at offensive rebounds/slashing. He has the chance to be an elite defender at the 3, where it is toughest to find a good defender with Lebron, Durant, George, Anthony, possibly Wiggins and Parker too as offensive powerhouses. I like the idea of Kanter playing out to the 3 point line to stretch the D (if he does have the ability to make nba 3 pointers) with Favors as post and Gordon slashing.